Accused of a sex crime???? GUILTY!!!!!

[DrFaroohk]

Where the hell did this mentality come from? It's like a friggin witch hunt. All someone has to do is say it, and there you go, you're fucked.

So yeah a dude at work got accused of some minor sex crimes. Stalking little boys around town or something. Cops were there, along with the kids father. I can't say that I know for a fact he didn't do it. But I would definitely not say he did do it either, but most people feel comfortable with that. What gives?

Oooooh...the kids made an accusation. "This guy was following us around!"

Well considering they were on foot, what was he doing, sitting in his truck going 2 miles an hour? Yeah because no one's gonna notice that. Not even considering the fact that it's POSSIBLE the kids are just plain lying to get attention. It does happen, but I'll leave that part out.

And it's a green pickup. Lots of green pickups around here.

But oh noes! The kids dad says "Well how did I get your plate number if you weren't there?" Yeah, again, it's all entirely possible this guy really was doing what he said he was. It's also possible that the dad only knew it was a green truck, and since he lives right near the factory he saw the green truck in the parking lot, walked over and got the plates then. As the average IQ of the area is about 65, and common sense is as rare as the cure for AIDS, it's quite likely that, being an enraged dad, he's willing to bend a few rules and outright lie to protect his kids from a man he is sure will hurt them (even if his reasoning is unfounded).

And lastly....he quit! I don't blame him. He doesn't live in the area, has to travel a long way, and he's not fond of the job anyway, and this could definitely have put him over the edge. I know I wouldn't want to be hanging around an area where a bunch of dirty, angry rednecks are gunning for me.

But of course to all the stupid, dirty, angry rednecks I work with are like "Well he quit. He MUST be guilty. Because that's what I would do and everyone in the world thinks and acts just like me don't they!?!?!?!?"

People are retarded. I'm not defending child abuse, I'm not saying all kids lie, and I don't this guy quite well enough to be able to say I know he didn't do it, but jesus christ...give him a fucking chance, yeah? Last time i checked this was still the USA and you are innocent until PROVEN guilty. Not theoretically guilty, not maybe guilty, not even most-likely guilty. PROVEN BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT.

I just hate seeing people get railroaded like that. It sucks.

[crashhelmet]

The same can be said for Physical Abuse allegations as well. They're both serious matters and should be investigated, but often times the accused (which is almost always male) is convicted in the media and his workplace before the truth is revealed. Once it is, they're never truly vindicated. The still carry the albatross around their neck everywhere they go.

3 and a half years ago, my son ended up in the hospital with 4 broken bones (both legs and 2 ribs). I was at work at the time and he was in his mother's care. I was working for a big Casino company here in Vegas at the time. By State law, they automatically charged me with abuse and neglect because they didn't have enough concrete evidence, or an admission, from the bitch to pin it all on her. As soon as HR found out about it, they fired me and I was out of work for a while because I couldn't pass a background check. It took 7 months, multiple court appearances, and THREE DIFFERENT JUDGES to get the charges against me dropped. I was almost evicted, had my SUV repossessed, and my credit is completely FUBAR right now. The worst part about it all is the charges against her were eventually dropped too. They couldn't prove what happened, so they simply revoked her custody.

I tried to get custody, but with everything I went through as a result, I could never get everything they wanted in order in time. I ended up giving up my rights before they could strip them.

CH

[Hobbs]

People are retarded. I'm not defending child abuse, I'm not saying all kids lie, and I don't this guy quite well enough to be able to say I know he didn't do it, but jesus christ...give him a fucking chance, yeah? Last time i checked this was still the USA and you are innocent until PROVEN guilty. Not theoretically guilty, not maybe guilty, not even most-likely guilty. PROVEN BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT.

I just hate seeing people get railroaded like that. It sucks.

Considering your view of justice in the "Unnecessary roughness" thread, I find this last part ironic.

[Ginger Tea]

With rape its guilty even if proven innocent
Every alleged rapist has his name and partial address printed in the press as soon as he is arrested, so everyone knows what he "might" have done.

I stopped reading news papers ages ago as they were normally too bias or full of celeb stories and not news, but on reporting of aqquitals the innocent man has been divorced, fired and beaten in prison whilst on remand and no one on his street if hes got a house left to return to see him in the same light, to them hes the rapist that got off on a technicality.

but afaik all casinos video tape the tables as well as just monitor them, so why would HR fire you if they could find concrete proof you were WORKING at the time of the assault?

[Plaidman]

Considering your view of justice in the "Unnecessary roughness" thread, I find this last part ironic.

How so? DrFaroohk and I share the same views (somewhat).

Don't. Do. Shit. To. Others.

This INCLUDES people being blamed and beaten for something they didn't do.

However, if it is proven they did it? Yeah. Beat the living fuck out of them until they cannot move anymore, and let them know they got that for doing what they did, and if they ever did it again, then it be even worst.

See? That fear make it so they never do it again. One less rapist.

[Greenday]

Because rape and such are the most unforgivable/non-understandable crimes out there. And when someone gets raped, people want blood and they will destroy the first person that is targeted, regardless of proof.

[DrFaroohk]

Considering your view of justice in the "Unnecessary roughness" thread, I find this last part ironic.

Actually a little common sense and deep thought would help make sense of it....lol.....

I would never do any of those things to someone unless I knew it for a fact. Cold hard fact. I'm not going to ruin someone's life because maybe, he might have possibly, theoretically, done something to me.

[Hobbs]

Don't. Do. Shit. To. Others.

Does this include calling rape victims liars? How is assuming that a victim is lying not as bad as accusing someone of something they didn't do?

Many that live deserve death. Some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them, Frodo Plaidman? Do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. Even the very wise cannot see all ends.

[Plaidman]

Oi. I said it before, and I'll say it again.

I'm against murder.

And how is calling a rape victim a liar have anything to do with this?

They were raped. The rapist deserves extremly painful punishment.

Yes, people lie for whatever reason.

But when it's proven that said person did a crime? Then they deserve as much pain and misery past the point they can handle. Let them know it was their acts against others that caused this. That there is no vaction time for them in prison. No free medical care there. No three square meals a day. (Hey, if many many many others in this world cannot eat, why THE FUCK do we need to worry about some fucker who belives he or she is allowed to inflect harm on others not getting their daily meal! Give them some rice and water, and multivitims.

[Hobbs]

I'm against murder.

But not torture? One's quick and (relatively) painless, the other...isn't.

And how is calling a rape victim a liar have anything to do with this?

Dr. Farook's OP is blatantly calling the girl a liar. Now, he doesn't know if she's lying or not, but it seems he's already made up his mind. That's as wrong as the people he's complaining about.

But when it's proven that said person did a crime? Then they deserve as much pain and misery past the point they can handle. Let them know it was their acts against others that caused this. That there is no vaction time for them in prison. No free medical care there. No three square meals a day. (Hey, if many many many others in this world cannot eat, why THE FUCK do we need to worry about some fucker who belives he or she is allowed to inflect harm on others not getting their daily meal! Give them some rice and water, and multivitims.

Again, that's a violation of the Constitution of the United States. Human rights can't be given or taken away on a whim. I'm not going to argue this anymore. I feel really bad for you, Plaid. I wish I could help with this...I really do.

[linguist]

But when it's proven that said person did a crime? Then they deserve as much pain and misery past the point they can handle.

what do you consider proof? because there are hundreds if not thousands of people in the prison system now who have been "proven" to have committed the crimes of which they are accused, while in fact being innocent. the number of prisoners who have their convictions overturned due to new evidence every year is testament to this.

how would you propose compensating those who've been victim to your brand of justice when they're innocent? should they be able to beat their accusers until they can't move? beat the people who beat them? what if the accusers didn't make the accusations out of malice, but merely mistaken identity?

this is why humane imprisonment is the only viable option: to protect those who don't truly belong there.

[Plaidman]

Yeah. There are alot in prison that are innocent of crimes.

What's proof?

DNA for one.
Video cameras.
Witnesses
Hell, sometimes, (Not all, such as the memphess three) basically shout YES! I did it! MWA HA HA HA HA!.

Does that stuff come into play? Sometimes. Sometimes not, because the evidence that would prove they did it isn't allowed in for various reasons, (my personal fave being that the fuckers didn't give permission to be filmed doing those acts, so hey, it isn't allowed in the court).

Even DNA sometimes isn't allowed in ether. (Again, Memphess Three...).

What's proof? When ten thousand fucking things point to one person, from DNA, witnesses, video cameras, pictures, the sonofabitch himself proudly stating his crimes to get another book/film story deal (which of course, he gets paid for).

[linguist]

Yeah. There are alot in prison that are innocent of crimes.

What's proof?

DNA for one.
Video cameras.
Witnesses
Hell, sometimes, (Not all, such as the memphess three) basically shout YES! I did it! MWA HA HA HA HA!.

dna labs do make mistakes, video doesn't always show clearly, witnesses are very often wrong, and confessions can be coerced (or sometimes the mentally ill will confess to a crime they didn't commit just for the attention).

[AdminAssistant]

The West Memphis Three were proven guilty in a court of law. The fact that their DNA wasn't found doesn't mean they didn't do it. Judges deemed the DNA tests inconclusive. (I'm from the area where the Three were tried. The judges around there are generally awesome.) They confessed to the murder of three kids, and now the little creeps get to sit in jail for the rest of their lives. (I wish the creeps behind the Westside shooting got the same treatment.)

Sorry. Like I said, I grew up in the area at that time and felt the very real fear that was going around. Honestly, those kids are lucky they were arrested, tried, and are in prison. I bet some fathers would love to go vigilante on them.

[Greenday]

dna labs do make mistakes

DNA evidence gets ignored all the time in rape cases.

"We found the semen inside her and determined it wasn't him."

Hours later.

"Guilty."

Forensic scientists everywhere weep.

Juries for some reason are biased towards the victim's testimony and the victim's testimony is easily one of the weakest pieces of evidence.