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  • You're Gay? You can't help save lives!

    Ok, bear with me here, this is something that's been bubbling in the back of my mind for a while.

    So, I went to donate blood today. My blood type is O-, making me a universal donor. I mentioned this in passing to one of my CWs, and he's unhappy because he's gay. He's barred from ever donating blood, because he happens to be attracted to/fall in love with someone the same sex as him. There was another comment on a thread I posted on CS saying the same thing.

    How in the hell is this FAIR? I realize that the 80s AIDS scare was a huge deal. And calling it gay cancer and whatnot caused a lot of irrational fears and prejudices, but it's long since been proven that gay men, in fact, are NOT the only ones who carry/can contract the disease. I realize that there is a need for precautions, and the fact that not all blood can be screened is a huge deal, but at the same time, there are still cases of people getting diseases from a bad transfusion. And yet, gay men still aren't allowed to sign up to donate blood, bone marrow, or anything really. Right? Again, how is that fair?

    Lesbians are allowed to donate blood, but homosexual men aren't, if I'm not mistaken. During the screening process, I'm not once asked if I have had sex with another woman. And yet, One of the questions you're asked during screening, as a female, is "Have you had sexual contact with a male who has had sexual relations with a male?" Every other question about sexual behavior asks if I've come into contact with an "individual", who has done drugs/accepted drugs or money for sex/shared needles, etc.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but AIDS is a sexually transmitted disease, not a homosexually transmitted disease. It is transmitted through bodily fluids. This has been proven. Without trying to sound vulgar, as a woman I can pretty much guarantee, we have bodily fluids that are just as capable as spreading disease as a man. For every man with HIV/AIDs, I'm pretty sure women exist with the disease as well.

    The need for blood, in my region at least, is HUGE. At least 1000 donations are needed DAILY to keep up with the demand. Yet, how much of the population is being banned from ever trying to save lives, simply because of how they're wired. I mean, if you practice safe sex, get tested regularly, and all those other precautions we're taught growing up, how can you not be allowed to help your society? This makes me unbearably sad, and puts me in an odd position.

    On the one hand, I'm O-. I know that there's a large demand for my blood type, to the point that I almost religiously try to donate every 8 weeks, the minimum allowed. On the other hand, there is a part of me that is disgusted and insulted on behalf of my friends and colleagues who, being wonderfully caring and compassionate people, are being told they can't try to help out in this way because they are attracted to and desire to have sex with another man. I think the laws regarding this need to be dragged into the 21st century, but every attempt made to do so has been shot down because of the undying fear and prejudice that still exists in the undertones of our culture - that if you're gay, there's something wrong with you, and you're obviously deficient in some way.

    I just had to get that out, because it's something that's been bugging me for a few weeks now. I'm not going to stop giving blood when I can, because I know it's not right to withhold a donation that can help save lives. But I'm not going to be any less angry at the injustice I think is happening, especially when I see the ads and emails and brochures that scream about how blood is in such short supply, and why won't more people donate?

  • #2
    It is unfair. Pure and simple.

    But it's the fear that people have. Despite how open alot of people are, there are far more homophobic, or religious hateful people who WILL revolt, who WILL cry foul, throw all kinds of bans and shitfit storms, because they will not only fear that they will be given /gay/ blood that is /automatically/ tainted with /HIV/.

    Even if it's not disclosed who gave the blood, just the fact it's an option will make those people scream for bans and try to spread fear that this blood is cursed by God, or bunch of other hateful spew.

    There are some religous sects that already refuse medical health. Only recently was there a ban on that in some areas, as children are now dying because their parents refuse medical health and only have faith based healing. Now image even more people like that, not due to religon, but to just that stupid fear/hate of gay people and their blood. Their minds would not tolerate being /tainted/ by gay blood, and the idea of a gay person saving their lives is likely not going to be high on their mind.

    Yeah, the blood is confidential, but just the whole knowing that blood COULD come from a gay, is more then enough for those people, to have huge shit fits.


    The world is a sick place, and these outdated views are always going to be around.
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    • #3
      but, but, but,

      If they were allowed to donate then other people might catch the gays.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by gremcint View Post
        but, but, but,

        If they were allowed to donate then other people might catch the gays.
        Good... Maybe people would finally be happy with their lives.
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        • #5
          As much as this pisses me off, it's one of those issues that I find hard to get any energy behind.
          If a member of the religious right wants to die because he's too afraid to catch the gay, let him die, the world will be better off without them... that said, we have no way if knowing if some conservative douchebag is going to be denied blood or an equality minded humanist will be denied.
          That said, if the ban on gay blood was lifted tomorrow, neither I nor my fiance could donate.
          My fiance because he lived in Europe (navy brat) and me because of my needle phobia (I know it is irrational, but every time I am about to have an intravenous I tense up and pass out, and the Red Cross, at least in Utah, require that if a person looses consciousness during the draw they are to immediately stop and discard the donation in case passing out was a sign of an illness or what not... yeah, it's a waste, but it is a cheap screening measure.)
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          • #6
            what about all the straight people who donate knowing they have a disease and still pass it on. or those that don't know and donate. what about them?
            from the few donations I have given and the screening processes they have given me that last chance to say if i've any reason to not donate say so now. I have yet to ever say now as before hand i've made i am clean to the best of the dr's and test result knowledge.
            there are sexual deviants among the straight people as well as others rampant with disease yet they're free to donate as they are straight...riiight
            oh please let me catch the gay, i could care less, if someone donated to save me or my family i don't care, i would thank that person if i could.
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            • #7
              Frankly I fail to understand the reasoning behind the ban.

              EVERY pint of blood donated gets tested. When they pull the pint, they also pull two vials for testing. If the blood fails, BAM it's chucked into medical waste.

              It's just that simple. Why pre-ban the blood before it is tested when standard procedure is to test that blood for anything and everything?

              It just doesn't make sense.
              “There are worlds out there where the sky is burning, where the sea's asleep and the rivers dream, people made of smoke and cities made of song. Somewhere there's danger, somewhere there's injustice and somewhere else the tea is getting cold. Come on, Ace, we've got work to do.” - Sylvester McCoy as the Seventh Doctor.

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              • #8
                They actually pulled 4 vials from me. What are they doing with the other 2? The brochure I get every time says that not all blood is screened, though. Ah well. I freely admit i don't know much about what happens to my blood after I donate.

                That's my point, though. if they're screening the blood, and taking all these precautions, why are gay men not allowed to donate? Lexia, you said it better than I could, that's the point I was trying to make. Despite all these precautions, shit still happens, but yet there are still bans in place. simply because you're gay, you can't donate, because obviously, you're a deviant who wants to infect the world. Oi vey.

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                • #9
                  The gay ban made good sense when it was first put in place: there was either no test, or no reliable test, for the virus at the time. If all you know is that those who come down with a horrible disease are usually gay, that it's something that seems to have a long symptom-free period, and when it was first documented, placing a ban there *until more is known* is quite reasonable. If I understand rightly, that's also the reason for the European ban: they don't yet know enough about Mad Cow to test whether you're carrying it or, so far as I know, even whether it's passable by blood or not, so better safe than sorry. But once more IS known, there's no legitimate excuse not to limit the restriction accordingly. And 1977 is a long time ago! If you last had sex 30 years ago and it hasn't turned you positive by now, it's not going to. Or 20 years, or 10, or ONE for that matter.

                  Not that it really makes sense to bar people from donating for a year every time they have sex, either, but it at least would be in line with other supposed risk factors like tattoos.

                  I suppose it's not really that big a deal. And I'm sure that if there were ongoing shortages they'd look over the restrictions and see which ones are really necessary. But it's awkward, in more ways than one. I *like* donating, but at the same time, going to the blood drive feels like I'm proclaiming my virginity for the town to hear... and it just feels *wrong* to be in the position of hoping to become what the blood bank considers tainted.
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                  • #10
                    The ban is supposed to cover the possibilities of either an infection too recent to show on a test (though that's weeks or months, not 33 blinking YEARS) and that of a false negative.

                    (Weird: that was intended to be an edit to the previous post...)
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                    • #11
                      It doesn't make sense to any of us, because we're all accepting of people.

                      However, there are still so many people that are hateful.

                      Hell, people firebomb abortion clinics because it's /God's/ will. Now imange those same people firebombing blood banks for carrying /gay/ blood.

                      Even with precautions, some blood just gets through without being checked because it's just cheaper that way. They don't have the time or money to check it.

                      And Smiley? Needles is a common fear. Not irrational.

                      No fear is irrational.

                      Well... except mine.

                      I'm afraid of changing lightbulbs.

                      Hell, even touching a lightbulb is hard to do for me.
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                      I AM THE MAN of the house! I wear the pants!!! But uh...my wife buys the pants so....yeah.

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                      • #12
                        I can understand putting the ban in place until more is known, but...well, more IS known now. And I understand the restrictions re: having sex/getting a tattoo, because of the infection risk that may be too early to detect. But completely banning a person JUST because of their orientation? What if they could provide documentation they tested clean reliably for a year (though I know that'll lead to screams of invasion of privacy and the like) I guess my indignation may be out of proportion in some ways, and it all just came bubbling out.

                        Though, in the case of Mad Cow/Cruetzfeld Jakob, there really IS no reliable test, since the prions burrow in the brain tissue and look like every other goddamn protein in your body until they turn your brain into swiss cheese, during which symptoms may take DECADES to surface, and by then you're brain is aforementioned cheese. The only reliable test (of the brain at least) is an autopsy, and...well...yeah...

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                        • #13
                          I know. We know that just because your gay does not mean you have aids.


                          But those with such hatred of gays, Will NOT understand that. They would NOT care. They would flat out, NOT want it to exist, and would be very willing to do /god's/ will of destroying the /contaimated/ blood.

                          It's stupid views that shouldn't exist. But it does. These people do not think of /gay/ blood as normal blood, but a thick acidic poison blood of the devil.

                          Then there are those that are just homophobic, that would think it comes with AIDS, regardless of what any test says. They are just utterly convinced it has aids, and the doctor is just /lying/ to get rid of poison blood.
                          Toilet Paper has been "bath tissue" for the longest time, and it really chaps my ass - Blas
                          I AM THE MAN of the house! I wear the pants!!! But uh...my wife buys the pants so....yeah.

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                          • #14
                            ya know this is something that strickes me as VERY similar to something that was going on 50 - 70 years ago.

                            peoples IRRATIONAL fears and, quite frankly their prejudices caused them to utter the following phrase--->

                            "Hey Doc, when you give me that blood transfusion make sure it ain't none of that <N-word> blood".

                            Yeah just like uttering the name "Mudblood" to refer to a Muggleborn wizard really make a difference cause you both can do magic.

                            now we all know now that it make little or no difference where the blood came from or the race, ethnic background or even the gender of the donar. you will not "catch" a case of the gays, or become feminized or butch or start acting like some crazyed headhunter. just like organ transplants will NOT make you a serial killer or something like that. that is just movie/fiction stuff.
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                            • #15
                              Indeed Racketman.

                              I just hope it doesn't take another 50 - 70 years before they allow gay males to donate blood without them lying to do so.
                              Toilet Paper has been "bath tissue" for the longest time, and it really chaps my ass - Blas
                              I AM THE MAN of the house! I wear the pants!!! But uh...my wife buys the pants so....yeah.

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