Execution delays

[wraiths_crono]

If this should be in a different section please flag and move, and we begin



So I know many are for and many are against execution of murders and what not but I personally am for it. Tomorrow there is supposed to be one in my state
( http://www.azfamily.com/news/local/C...105677578.html )

but it is being blocked because "The one to be executed may feel pain and a suffocation feeling if we can not verify the origin of the knock out drug." Personally if they convicted someone and in the 20 years he had, was not able to prove it was not him then why even use sedative, he murdered others probably didn't think to give them a pain killer first... GAH!

[Greenday]

but it is being blocked because "The one to be executed may feel pain and a suffocation feeling if we can not verify the origin of the knock out drug." Personally if they convicted someone and in the 20 years he had, was not able to prove it was not him then why even use sedative, he murdered others probably didn't think to give them a pain killer first... GAH!

Hm, murder and torture prisoners. Interesting idea. I'm pretty sure that's unconstitutional though. It also makes us just as bad or worse than the people we sentence to death.

[Ginger Tea]

I saw a DVD in tescos last night that I never heard of before called Torture, from what I recal reading from the back

a child is murdered and the convicted murderer pleabargains a lower sentence infuriating the parents who kidnap him en rout to prison and do exactly what he did to their child to him.

basically they themselves turn into "monsters"
if you were to be shot by a fireing squad, you wouldn't expect someone to put a gun to your head and play a one sided game of russian roulette now would you?

[blas87]

It kind of sickens me that we have to worry about the safety and comfort of people who showed no such thing towards their victim(s). We have already made the death penalty a way of putting them to sleep, I don't see how it can be anymore simple, or why we have to worry about them experiencing pain or discomfort while being executed.

[telecom_goddess]

Ok I want to say that I'm for execution for murderers. And I'm sick and tired of people who get the death penalty hanging around on death row for a decade or more ....what the hell is the hold up? And I don't believe in coddling these people either.....so what if they feel pain.....they are being executed not treated for a disease. They should have thought of that before killing someone.....

It's like swabbing an arm with alcohol before giving a lethal injection....really??? You're going to worry about a possibly infection that will NOT have time to develop because they will be dead in a few minutes?

[Greenday]

Ok I want to say that I'm for execution for murderers. And I'm sick and tired of people who get the death penalty hanging around on death row for a decade or more ....what the hell is the hold up?

Oh, just this kind of stuff...

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/exec...sibly-innocent

Let me see if I can get the logic straight on pro-death penalty. We need to kill these people, because they killed people and killing people is wrong, so we have to punishe these killers by killing them.

That's basically the argument I'm hearing.

[telecom_goddess]

Oh, just this kind of stuff...

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/exec...sibly-innocent

Let me see if I can get the logic straight on pro-death penalty. We need to kill these people, because they killed people and killing people is wrong, so we have to punishe these killers by killing them.

That's basically the argument I'm hearing.

Yup pretty much. Eye for an eye. And frankly I figure by the time someone gets sentenced with the death penalty they are proven guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt and all that.

[Greenday]

Yup pretty much. Eye for an eye. And frankly I figure by the time someone gets sentenced with the death penalty they are proven guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt and all that.

Ok, so you're saying we should kill people who kill. Who kills the executioner? I mean, he's killing someone! Then someone needs to kill that guy since, well, he's a killer. Etc. etc...

[AdminAssistant]

Yup pretty much. Eye for an eye. And frankly I figure by the time someone gets sentenced with the death penalty they are proven guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt and all that.

Except sometimes they haven't been. People on death row are proven innocent all the time. And frankly, even if someone has done horrible things, isn't the death penalty just an easy way out? Why not leave them in prison to rot?

Also, the death penalty doesn't serve any kind of justice. It serves the very human need for vengeance.

[telecom_goddess]

Ok, so you're saying we should kill people who kill. Who kills the executioner? I mean, he's killing someone! Then someone needs to kill that guy since, well, he's a killer. Etc. etc...

That's ridiculous....the murderer broke the law and needs to be punished, the executioner is working within the law. It stops there.

[blas87]

Keeping them in prison so they can go to college, exercise, and best of all, be up for parole within years of killing someone? I think not.

I can't even afford college and I'm a law abiding citizen. And my tax dollars go to feed/clothe/shelter these monsters who kill people in cold blood. No.

That idea would only work if they were not coddled, and killing someone in cold blood did not earn you parole within 5-10-15 years of imprisonment.

[Greenday]

You can't say killing someone is okay in this case, but not okay in the other. That's like saying, "Nobody should steal, but since I REALLY needed this item, I had to steal it. I REALLY needed it though so it's okay." Murder is either all okay or never okay.

[blas87]

That's kind of a slippery slope because an executioner is an official who is designated to do this kind of thing, and there are witnesses and medical staff on hand, should anything go wrong. A little different than a situation with mobsters or pimps or drug lords who designate themselves as being in charge of murdering people.

[linguist]

Yup pretty much. Eye for an eye. And frankly I figure by the time someone gets sentenced with the death penalty they are proven guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt and all that.

you mean like cameron todd willingham, who was convicted "beyond a shadow of a doubt" and executed for setting the fire that killed his children, only to find after his death that the evidence used to convict him was faulty and based on outdated fire investigation techniques, and the fire was in fact most likely accidental?

or any one of the dozens on death row who've since been released based on dna evidence?

or timothy cole, who was convicted of rape (again, beyond a shadow of a doubt) and sentenced to life in prison, who then died in prison after being denied proper medical care for an easily controlled affliction? he was found to be innocent after the true rapist came forward years later, after the statute of limitations had run out. in the ensuing investigation into his conviction it was found that the woman who was raped had never actually seen his face, and was pressured into identifying cole by the investigating officers.

[Greenday]

Murder. Execution. Same exact thing, just spelled different.