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    This is not a rant against people who just don't like wrestling, who've given it a fair shake and don't enjoy it or who find the prospect offensive for some reason. That's cool, all things for all people. It's so totally not for everyone.

    What I am so freaking sick of dealing with are the HARUMPH HARUMPH people who seem to be conditioned to blurt "You know it's FAAAAAKE" within a nanosecond of finding out that you're a wrestling fan. Or God help you if you're actually a WRESTLER and they find out because then you're going to get laughed at and made fun of for being a "fake puncher who rolls around with sweaty naked people" until you either be the bigger person and walk away or pummel the other person into silence (I've only done the latter one time, and that person had a beating coming well before they pulled that stunt).

    First of all, that's a fallacy of statement anyway. Wrestling is not "fake." "Fake" implies that nothing you see is real, that the bumps and bruises and impact isn't happening, that when a person falls backwards off a five-foot tall post and hits the ground, that they're landing on an air mattress and it doesn't hurt. As Matt Hyson says, "You can't fake gravity."

    Wrestling is "scripted." The two people in the ring aren't actually trying to hurt each other, the storylines are written up ahead of time, and generally speaking, the match is planned out or being called as they go. Scripting. Fake is not the right word. Wrestling HURTS. You get calloused to it, eventually you stop noticing it so much and can take a bunch of whacks in the back without yelping, but it never STOPS hurting. There wouldn't be so many wrestlers addicted to pain medicine and pot if it were fake.

    Second, so what? Of course it's not real. It's a TV SHOW. If you want to put it like this, it's THEATRE. The ring is the stage, the motions are a dance, and the characters are all in their costumes. No one save 5-year-olds and a few mentally disabled fans have thought it was real since the late 80's. It's been at least 20 years since the reveal. Get over it!

    I mean, obviously it's not a "sport" so to speak. I, having done both, say wrestling is comparable to cheerleading...a group of people, wearing fancy costumes, performing a choreographed series of movements, a sort of dance, to entertain a crowd of people. It is a highly athletic thing, not a sport. We all know this. We acknowledge it very openly. Hell, even Lance Storm has compared wrestling to figure skating (two people in costumes performing) and theorized that if figure skating could be an Olympic event, so could wrestling.

    I mean, if absolutely nothing else, we want to compare fakeness, compare a typical wrestling storyline to a soap opera...

    Wrestling: On RAW, Lita revealed that she was pregnant. One week later, it appeared that Hardy was going to propose to Lita, but he was interrupted by Kane, who claimed to be the father of Lita's child, as Lita had slept with Kane to persuade him to stop attacking Hardy. Two months later, it was revealed that Kane was, in fact, the father. Hardy and Kane feuded for several months, culminating in a "Till Death Do Us Part" match at SummerSlam, with the stipulation that Lita would be obliged to marry Kane should Hardy lose. Kane won the match, leading to he and a reluctant Lita marrying one another.

    Days Of Our Lives: Isabella and "Roman" (John) grew closer and Isabella became pregnant just as "Roman's" wife, Marlena Evans returned from the grave. Marlena's death had been faked, and she had been the prisoner of Stefano DiMera. If that twist wasn't enough it was then revealed that Roman Brady (Wayne Northrop) was still alive meaning that the Drake Hogestyn Roman who had been in Salem for the last half of the 1980s wasn't Roman Brady after all.


    You tell me the difference, aside from the fact that the wrestling storyline was told in a ring instead of on a set?

    Finally, when people sneer their "You know it's FAKE" bit at me, why do they think they're allowed to get pissed off when I turn it right back on them and say "Yeah, and so is Star Wars/CSI/whatever fiction-based TV show" ?

    I realize I'm probably the only person on here who would get this worked up over this subject, but it just drives me nuts that people think that just because they don't "get" what is essentially my livelihood, that they think it's okay to be condescending and stupid to my face about it. It's one thing to say "I don't care for it," or to say you don't approve of it because of the violence or the stories or whatever, that's totally cool. You don't have to show such sneering contempt over it just because you can't grasp that there's essentially no difference between it and an episode of Scrubs aside from the setting and the clothes the characters wear.

    Sorry about the ranting, it just takes me right up the wall that people can be so immature about something that, in the grand scheme of things, JUST DOESN'T MATTER THAT MUCH. I love wrestling, it's about the biggest thing in my life...but I know that to your everyday person walking around, it's nothing but a passing distraction if even that. What's with the hate, Sour Kangaroo?

  • #2
    Originally posted by MystyGlyttyr View Post
    This is not a rant against people who just don't like wrestling, who've given it a fair shake and don't enjoy it or who find the prospect offensive for some reason. That's cool, all things for all people. It's so totally not for everyone.
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    I realize I'm probably the only person on here who would get this worked up over this subject, but it just drives me nuts that people think that just because they don't "get" what is essentially my livelihood, that they think it's okay to be condescending and stupid to my face about it.
    I don't care for wrestling - but I also don't care for soap opera or competitive sports, and in exactly the same way I don't care for wrestling. So I doubt your rant applies to me.

    But I get much the same sort of behaviour for some of my hobbies. Apparently I'm immature, silly, childish, and (to some) possessed of the devil.

    So you have my sympathy and understanding, for what it's worth. Have a net-hug.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Seshat View Post
      I don't care for wrestling - but I also don't care for soap opera or competitive sports, and in exactly the same way I don't care for wrestling. So I doubt your rant applies to me. .
      Absolutely not I mean, I don't care for rodeo. Around these parts (rural Arkansas/Texas) that makes me a total freak. But I don't insult the people who do like the rodeo and I certainly don't belittle the people who compete in it. (I could do a whole 'nother rant on how people talk about wrestlers themselves, but the anger is gone and I don't feel up to it just yet, heh.) I just don't go to it or pay it any mind, and if someone wants to talk to me about it, I just smile politely and nod and leave it at that.

      Thanks for the net-hug. I just got set off all over again by one of those people today and if I didn't vent here, I was going to go for the second shot at beating them into silence, and that wouldn't be good for a variety of reasons.

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      • #4
        My problem with wrestling is that it is choreographed. Now, wrestling like you would see in high school, that kind of wrestling I like. But pro-wrestling just isn't my cup of tea. I like sports where the physically dominant side wins. Scripting takes all the fun out of it for me.
        Violence has resolved more conflicts than anything else. The contrary opinion that violence doesn't solve anything is merely wishful thinking at its worst. - Starship Troopers

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        • #5
          I find some of the 'storylines' ridiculous beyond words, and a few downright appalling. Sadly, it's become a little moreso lately.

          That said, I'll tune in from time to time when a particular match catches my attention. Some of those guys know how to put on one hell of a show.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Greenday View Post
            My problem with wrestling is that it is choreographed. Now, wrestling like you would see in high school, that kind of wrestling I like. But pro-wrestling just isn't my cup of tea. I like sports where the physically dominant side wins. Scripting takes all the fun out of it for me.
            First off, I'm not trying to call you out, I'm just honestly curious, so if I offend you, I don't mean to.

            So, you say you don't like it because it's choreographed and scripted. So does that mean you don't like any shows that have scripting and the like to them? Or is it just because of the sports-ish atmosphere that comes along with wrestling?

            (Or, if the answer is just "I just don't like wrestling regardless", you know, cool, heh.)

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            • #7
              I don't like wrestling, but I also don't like most TV. I also find male wrestlers' huge muscles rather grotesque- especially in comparison to the body types most effective for competitive, non-scripted wrestling. Of course, I also am not fond of shows like America's Next Top Model that make a spectacle of unusual body types at the opposite extreme, either.

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              • #8
                I like watching wrestling, but hate the sports entertainment pagentry crap.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by MystyGlyttyr View Post
                  if I didn't vent here, I was going to go for the second shot at beating them into silence, and that wouldn't be good for a variety of reasons.
                  Only if you get caught. (*wonders why the devil icon isn't here*)
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                  • #10
                    I totally get why someone wouldn't like wrestling - it's practically what the phrase "not everyone's cup of tea" was invented for. What I don't get is what gives some people the right to have such an attitude about it as if all wrestling fans went to school on the short bus.

                    For me, I started watching it with my Grandpap when I was about 5 years old. It was our "thing" we did together and 25 years later I'm still a fan. In fact, I'm stoked about WrestleMania 24 next weekend and at the same time sad that a guy I literally spent my whole life watching will be retiring (Ric Flair).

                    In short, to anyone who looks down their nose at wrestling fans I got TWO WORDS FOR YA!!


                    *crotch chop*

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by CancelMyService View Post
                      I totally get why someone wouldn't like wrestling - it's practically what the phrase "not everyone's cup of tea" was invented for. What I don't get is what gives some people the right to have such an attitude about it as if all wrestling fans went to school on the short bus.


                      In short, to anyone who looks down their nose at wrestling fans I got TWO WORDS FOR YA!!


                      *crotch chop*

                      Exactly. Whenever someone tells me that Wrestling is Fake. I tell them so is all the other sports. Hey they can put my sport down, I can put theirs down as well. Now I am not trying to put anyone down. I am just saying.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Zyanya View Post
                        I find some of the 'storylines' ridiculous beyond words, and a few downright appalling.
                        That's what I don't like about it. I also don't care for violence much.

                        The fact that its scripted, though? Who cares? Like Mystty said, all TV is scripted. Even so-called reality shows.

                        Mystty was also right in comparing wrestling to a soap opera. Personally, I think the story lines and characters on both types of shows are awful.

                        But I suppose I'd fit into the first category of people who have watched an episode or two to see what the appeal is, and decided its not for me. What do I care if someone else enjoys it? To each their own.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by MystyGlyttyr View Post
                          First off, I'm not trying to call you out, I'm just honestly curious, so if I offend you, I don't mean to.

                          So, you say you don't like it because it's choreographed and scripted. So does that mean you don't like any shows that have scripting and the like to them? Or is it just because of the sports-ish atmosphere that comes along with wrestling?

                          (Or, if the answer is just "I just don't like wrestling regardless", you know, cool, heh.)
                          Honestly, I don't like most shows. The only tv shows I regularly watch are Scrubs, South Park, The Daily Show, and The Colbert Report.

                          I just always looked at wrestling as a sport, and to see it scripted just bothers me. I'd be pissed if any other sport I watched was fixed, so that's why I'm not too big on wrestling.
                          Violence has resolved more conflicts than anything else. The contrary opinion that violence doesn't solve anything is merely wishful thinking at its worst. - Starship Troopers

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                          • #14
                            It's so funny that you should compare wrestling to a soap opera Mysty. That's how I've always thought of it!

                            I used to like watching with my Dad when I was younger, but the shows don't appeal to me so much, now. (hehe I used to LOOOOVE The Undertaker!)

                            I don't understand anyone "hating" on wrestling, though. That's just silliness. It's a show!
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                            • #15
                              Thanks for the answer, Greenday. I'm not sure I agree with seeing wrestling as a sport, but your reasons are your's and my reasons are mine, heh

                              I mean, I know that there are things that I don't like. There are things that I may privately think are completely idiotic for folks to do. But I at least have the common courtesy not to voice that out loud to someone who does enjoy that activity and not to treat it with disrespect even if I don't happen to think it's a good thing. Though, I think the lack of common courtesy explains almost everything we discuss here and at CS.com. Ah well.

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