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  • Unfriendliness and Hostility towards Pedestrians

    I hate it when the attitudes of an area or city towards pedestrians are unfriendly and even hostile. I hate it when a city enacts legislation that practically forces me to use vehicular transport of some kind. I hate it when asshole drivers honk their horns or scream obscenities at me when I walk, because they in their gas-guzzling monstrosities are so obviously superior to my health-conscious, eco-conscious ways. I especially hate it when they try to run me over because it's so funny to watch me scramble out of the crosswalk. They won't think it's so funny when they murder a little old lady or a mobility-impaired person. *inhales* All right, on to the specifics.

    Example A is a certain district where two of my friends live. This area has heavily commercial streets side by side with residential streets, mostly apartment buildings. Almost all of the residents shop in this area, but a barely majority percentage of their customers are from other areas. Traffic down the two main commercial streets is heavily congested, barely getting up to ten miles an hour. About a year ago, the mayor of this city (well, probably his advisors, but he was the public face) decided to get traffic moving by removing all of the pedestrian crosswalks from a two mile stretch of each road. You might think that he would then put pedestrian footbridges in, but no, that would make sense.

    So there are no crosswalks at all. One cannot get from the McDonald's to the Starbucks immediately across the street without detouring for two miles. The local paper ran a series of articles at the time about the change, and the reporters asked him where pedestrians were supposed to cross. He hemmed and hawed and said at the traffic lights. Well, there are about six lights along this two mile stretch, and they're all side streets leading to the residential streets. The only times they're usually used is in the mornings and evenings, when the residents head to and from work. If anyone wants to go from the apartments to the shops, they just walk. These lights are so seldom used that they only turn if the weight sensor detects a car. Anyone who's been in this district for more than 15 minutes during the daytime or the evening could tell you that expecting pedestrians to cross here is completely unfeasible.

    So what's happened here? Jaywalking has increased many times over. Traffic has slowed down even more, because they don't know where a jaywalker is going to cross. Pedestrians now step out into the street where ever they feel like it. One of my two friends cross at the side streets, where they're supposed to, but doesn't wait for the light. The other crosses where the crosswalks used to be. And what is the city's response to this comedy of errors? Put cops out there to ticket the jaywalkers, with quotas that they must meet. So now the cops are being villified for doing their jobs, and people are even more pissed off. I heard a rumor that they were planning to put crosswalks in at the side street lights, but I'll bet my gold fillings that the cycle will be too long for people to reasonably wait.

    Example B is the city I grew up in. I walked either to the grocery store, to the movie theatre, or to my job about five days a week. And once or twice a week I nearly got run over in a crosswalk. Usually, it was someone making a lefthand turn (across oncoming traffic), but sometimes it was some guy noticing that the cross traffic was clear and deciding to run a red. Sometimes, the driver just didn't check for pedestrians. Other times, the asshole hit the fricking-fracking gas pedal. Almost every time, I had to scarper to save life and limb, and almost every time I got cursed at or flipped off.

    I realize that this is a small and vocal minority, but it doesn't change the fact that in this city I take my life into my hands every time and everywhere I cross the street. So I jaywalk. It's easier for me to watch two directions than four. I jaywalk responsibly, of course, leaving plenty of room and time for the drivers. Usually, I've been walking on the opposite sidewalk for five or ten seconds before the car drives by. Is it illegal? Yes. Do I feel that it's justified? Hell yes. Every once in a while I think, "Surely these asshats have learned their lessons or moved away," and I start crossing at crosswalks. And the first time someone tries to kill me I go back to jaywalking. So far, when jaywalking I've never had a close call, but when crossing at lights I've never gone a full week without someone trying to kill me.

    Example C is the intersections in my college city. They're not pedestrian friendly. The pedestrian lights at an intersection of a major street and a side street are all red by default. If a pedestrian hits the button, it waits until the beginning of the next cycle to change the pedestrian light to green. If the person is trying to cross with the flow of main street traffic, they could have easily and safely crossed thrice or more.

    I've been in areas where the pedestrian lights changed with the traffic lights, and I loved it. Safe and efficient interchanges for all involved. The pedestrians know that the lights will change at the first safe opportunity, and they don't risk their safety crossing on a red signal. The drivers know that the pedestrians are far less likely to dart out into traffic, and they don't have to worry about hitting someone.

    One intersection that particularly pisses me off is the one in the center of my campus. One road bisects my campus lengthwise, but doesn't lead anywhere else. The other road bisects my campus widthwise, and does continue on in both directions to the rest of my city. The city road separates the commuter student parking, the community center, two major-specific buildings, and a number of lesser buildings from the residential buildings and the rest of the classroom buildings.

    So this intersection is crossed at least twice a day by residential students who have a 101 course in one of these buildings for their Gen Ed requirements, or who are members of an extra-curricular activity, and by commuter students who have courses in the other buildings. It's crossed anywhere from two to ten times a day by residential students who are one of these two majors. And in the middle of the day, the pedestrian lights take five minutes to change. Five or ten minutes before classes start, it is a very common sight to see a group of twenty or thirty students in each direction cross against the light.

    Example D is the assholes who honk or scream at pedestrians who are minding their own business. I get this mostly in the college city. One particularly vivid example for me is a day when I was walking back to campus after a futile six mile walk with ten pounds of books on my back. It was hot and humid and I was cranky, sticky, and tired. So I was plodding along, looking at the ground, and I hear a loud car horn right next to me. I jumped out of my skin and whirled around to see who was honking. Surely they were warning me to get out of the way, surely there's some sort of danger? No, it's just four drunken teenagers laughing their asses off at me as they drive by in a jeep with the top off. It took everything I had not to cry. I'd had a really bad day, and I did not deserve to be scared on top of it. Now I've got a tougher skin about this sort of harassment, but it still bothers me.

    What I'd like to see done is better maintaince of sidewalks and more consideration of pedestrians when programming traffic lights. Those would be easy for a city to implement. I'd like to see people who run an occupied crosswalk get fines or jailtime, depending on the severity, and I'd like to see those laws enforced more consistently. This would be harder to implement. I'd suggest an unmarked cop car at several foot-traffic-heavy intersections for a few weeks or months. Violations would probably drop sharply after that. Anyone who hits the gas and kills a pedestrian should face a murder charge, not just a vehicular manslaughter charge.

    And I'd like to see a major overhaul of social attitudes towards pedestrians. It's not funny to harass people; it's not funny to risk their lives. This might improve in the near future as gas prices rise and more people convert to bicyclism and pedestrianism, but a cynical part of me suspects that self-absorbed and egotistical people are always going to believe that they are better than the little folk and act accordingly.

  • #2
    Not having a car lately and having to walk over a mile to the tanning salon, I have to say I personally apologize for ever being pissed off at pedestrians.

    I really cannot wait to have my car back. I almost got ran over multiple times the other day....and I looked both ways and made sure to not run out in front of cars, but it's as if they just want to beat me to it anyway.

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    • #3
      I guess I'm spoiled over here. Portland is a pretty well planned city around public transit, bicyclists and pedestrians. It's so much cheaper and faster to park my car out at a park and ride in the 'burbs and ride MAX in to the center of the city and then walk the rest of the way to campus than it is to fight my way down I-5, find a very small parking spot and then sacrifice my theoretical first born to pay for the spot.

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      • #4
        I feel for anybody who for whatever reason can't rely on vehicular transport (of any kind) and has to walk/bike anywhere. Because let's face it, even if a pedestrian/bicyclist is acting irresponsibly in terms of crossing or suddenly darting out into traffic, they have NO chance against a roughly-2 1/2 ton package of metal boring down on them. So why not give them a little leeway?

        I feel bad enough accidentally running over insects and animals. I would feel horrible if I whacked somebody with a car.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Amethyst Hunter View Post
          I feel for anybody who for whatever reason can't rely on vehicular transport (of any kind) and has to walk/bike anywhere.
          It's not that I can't rely on vehicular transport. I can borrow my mom's car or my gramma's, public transport here is acceptable, and I have friends who don't mind giving me a lift to the whatever. I walk because I enjoy it and it's good for me. Exercise is soothing to me (endorphines, anyone?). I live a mostly sedentary lifestyle, so when I don't walk 8 or 12 miles a week, I gain weight, I gain inches, and I feel bloated and unhealthy. Humans have been designed by millenia of evolution to be active creatives, and that's not a need I can fulfill at my desk or by walking the 1000 yards to the cafeteria.


          Originally posted by Amethyst Hunter
          Because let's face it, even if a pedestrian/bicyclist is acting irresponsibly in terms of crossing or suddenly darting out into traffic, they have NO chance against a roughly-2 1/2 ton package of metal boring down on them. So why not give them a little leeway?

          I feel bad enough accidentally running over insects and animals. I would feel horrible if I whacked somebody with a car.
          As a responsible pedestrian, I thank you. Even when I follow the rules I run a chance of getting hit by a 2.5 ton package of metal, and yeah, that scares me.

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          • #6
            This morning's walk was a bit more refreshing. Not one, but TWO motorists motioned for me to go ahead and cross the street before them. I made sure to give them the "wave" (like a universal sign for "thank you").

            What nice people....and the weirdest part was....they were YOUNG people!?

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            • #7
              In both the major cities I've lived in (both Australian), motorists treat pedestrians reasonably well. Only the odd idiot honks us or indicates impatience when we cross the road: most gesture for us to cross, or gratefully accept an invitation for them to cross first.

              Usually the idiot is a group of teenage boys who want to yell something incoherent.

              Unfortunately, city planners don't always treat pedestrians and cyclists as well as the motorists do. There are always footpaths (sidewalks) along the roads, but not always useful crossing points. And cyclists are required to travel on the road unless otherwise signed, yet on some roads that's incredibly dangerous.

              Fortunately, over the last two or three decades, bike paths and shared paths* have become more and more common. Sometimes the bike path is a concrete stripe of its own (common where the road has a separating island down the middle: the island becomes the bike path), sometimes it's painted on the road (so the road essentially has an extra, narrower lane).

              The bike paths have been useful for pedestrians, as well. When the city planners work on developing the bike path, they sometimes notice a lack of decent crossing points on particular stretches of road. So they add one. Yay!


              * Shared path: open to foot and bicycle traffic. Often, but not always, has a stripe painted down it with a bike symbol on one side and walking-feet symbol on the other.
              If there is no such stripe, bicyclists who are approaching slower-moving pedestrians who are blocking the path are expected to ring their bells, and the pedestrians are expected to move to one side of the path to let the bike pass.

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              • #8
                I can attest to the hostility toward pedestrians in my city(thanks to the oblivious college students not paying any attention to their surroundings, due to ipods and cell phones. My sister is a cab driver and has a college student step out from in between parked cars while yammering on their cell phone, at least 6x a week-she slams on her brakes and honks and they are totally unaware of anything-even the honking!!!!


                So that makes the drivers hostile towards all of us pedestrians. And the police don't care.

                proof 1-

                I was waiting to cross a street at a crosswalk(across the bottom of an off ramp) waited for 30 minutes before I sat down to wait for a break in traffic. Nearby store owner called me in for looking "suspicious"-cops showed up and asked me why I was there-I showed them my ID with my address-you could see my house from where I was standing. They told me to walk three miles to a pedestrian bridge-when I was standing at a crosswalk and all the cars were ignoring the stop sign.


                Proof 2-

                My husband and I were walking home from the store-had the walk light and some guy in a truck was apparently watching oncoming traffic(he was stopped) and not the lights, which became obvious when he pulled out as my husband and I* were directly in front of his truck . he hit us both(lightly) and got a very shocked look on his face when we pounded the hood of his truck(he didn't even look our direction at all before pulling out. We got a partial plate number(6 out of 7 numbers the last one was one of two possibilities 3 or an 8), make and model, and a witness, after he peeled out. Called the police, they sent us a self reporting form and told us because we didn't have the full plate number there was nothing they could do. And they refused to send a patrol car because they were too busy. The truck hit us hard enough to leave bruises, and broke my cell phone screens. So running a red light and hit and run vs. pedestrian isn't worth sending the police in my town.


                *husband who is 6'2" was directly in front of the driver's side headlight, myself at 5'5" was in the exact middle of the grill(I know because I had an emblem shaped bruise on my hip for a week)
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by BlaqueKatt View Post
                  I was waiting to cross a street at a crosswalk(across the bottom of an off ramp) <snip> I was standing at a crosswalk and all the cars were ignoring the stop sign.
                  I don't know if this would have helped you in this situation, but body language can play a huge part. If I'm waiting when I don't have right of way, I stand three or four feet back from the curb, rest my weight on my back foot, and stare idly at traffic. Drivers get the message that I don't intend to cross and thus don't slow down in anticipation of my jay-walking. When I do have right of way but don't want to die to claim it, I stand at the very edge of the curb, muscles tense, and watch the faces of the drivers. If they start to slow, I take one step out into the walk, enough that I can jump back to safety if necessary. Usually after three or four cars, someone gets the hint and stops or waves me ahead.

                  As a driver, if I see someone sitting at the side of the road, I wouldn't assume that they were waiting to cross. Of course, I would stop at the stop sign, so that might not be an issue.

                  Originally posted by Seshat View Post
                  The bike paths have been useful for pedestrians, as well. When the city planners work on developing the bike path, they sometimes notice a lack of decent crossing points on particular stretches of road. So they add one. Yay!
                  I've noticed this as well. Also, when they redo an intersection for any reason, such as the road just needing general repairs or needing an update due to changed traffic patterns, they redo the nearby sidewalks. The new systems can be a bit weird (one intersection has me detouring 20 yards around the traffic exchange) but I'm very grateful that they're in place.

                  Around here, when there are no crosswalks, one is suppossed to cross at the very edge of traffic, as if there was one. Lefthand turns (across opposing traffic) can make it a bit tricky, as there is no crosswalk and thus cars don't think to check for pedestrians.

                  We don't have shared paths here (midwest America) except in nature parks. Bikers and skaters yell out "On your left!" when they approach, so that the pedestrians know they are about to be passed on their left and can politely move to their right. The law is that bikers are to travel in the road as if they were a car. Always, when I have been a driver coming up behind a biker, he moves to the shoulder of the road and waves me ahead. I pull halfway into the turn lane to pass him, as most courteous drivers do. Usually, bikers just use the sidewalks (footpaths) and drive on the grass to pass pedestrians. It's illegal and they can get ticketed, but as a pedestrian I don't blame them for not wanting to die.

                  Originally posted by BlaqueKatt
                  Proof 2-
                  <snip>
                  So running a red light and hit and run vs. pedestrian isn't worth sending the police in my town.
                  That's horrible! Fortunately, I've never been hit by a car. If I had, I'd be bleeping pissed, both at the driver and at the cops. I had some crazy bint try to force me out of the intersection - I was in the turn lane, she was in the straight and wanted over, but there was no room. She didn't even hit my car, just came within six inches. I called the cops and they sent an officer over in 30 minutes to take a report. They couldn't do anything about it, but just having a report down in black and white made me feel better.

                  I don't know why y'all's cops would refuse to take your report. Perhaps, if you could afford it, you could have gone to the ER to check for internal injuries? Because if the driver had been going even a little faster, or if you hadn't been in such good health, you could have been severely injured. What would the cops think then? I'd bet they'd care just a li'l bit more, don't you?

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                  • #10
                    While the locals where I live tend to be polite, skilled and pleasant behind the wheel, they're outnumbered by the people who have moved here in the past 15 years from elsewhere in the country. And some of those transplants, while they may be nice people on foot, are truly horrific drivers.

                    It's not part of the official academy curriculum, but a lot of police in this area favor hitting a car as it goes by after the driver tries to run them down, either due to incompetence or malice. There's several reasons for this: It gets the driver's attention if it's wandering, it moves the offense of driving away afterwards from reckless driving to felony hit & run, and it tends to make the malicious ones easier to catch (they often slam on the brakes, jump out of the car, and attempt to beat the officer to death with their fists for daring to touch their car).

                    In the past, I've often lived in places frequented by the worst of the worst drivers, and often carried a walking stick. Said stick is sturdy enough to stave in a door panel or penetrate a windshield. I've used it for escape purposes in the past, when nearly being run over (pole vaulting as you dive out of the way, using the car as a fulcrum, gets you out of the way faster). I've occasionally then had to defend myself against tire-iron-armed drivers who get pissed off at my "unwarranted and unprovoked" (as one driver put it, after I used the staff to evade his front bumper, damaging it in the process) vandalism of their car.
                    I figured if worse came to worst, I could posthumously take a bad driver with me...me crushed under his car, him impaled through the windshield by the walking stick...

                    A friend of mine who lived in the same area used to carry raw eggs around with her. If someone tried to run her down, she'd slap one onto their car as she jumped aside. She also threw them at the cars of people who pulled that "honk/scream at pedestrians to make them jump" stunt. For those who are unaware of the effect of egg whites on automotive paint, it's ugly.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Sylvia727 View Post
                      I walk because I enjoy it and it's good for me...I live a mostly sedentary lifestyle
                      Same here. I'm naturally something of a sloth to begin with, but given where I am now, I can go walking if I want. Unfortunately, there really isn't anything to walk *to*. (Unless you count the corner convenience store, heh)

                      We don't have shared paths here (midwest America)
                      Ooooohhh! Midwesterner?? Me too!
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Difdi View Post
                        It's not part of the official academy curriculum, but a lot of police in this area favor hitting a car as it goes by after the driver tries to run them down
                        I've heard this before, but I get scatter-brained when the adrenaline is released. I need to train and make this a reflex action, I suppose.

                        Originally posted by Difdi
                        A friend of mine who lived in the same area used to carry raw eggs around with her. If someone tried to run her down, she'd slap one onto their car as she jumped aside. She also threw them at the cars of people who pulled that "honk/scream at pedestrians to make them jump" stunt. For those who are unaware of the effect of egg whites on automotive paint, it's ugly.
                        While I might enjoy the vindictive thought of egging an asshole's car, I greatly prefer the moral high ground. No cop would take my complaint seriously if I ever needed to file a report on the incident. I usually just give them the double barreled salute.

                        Still, you've given me a lovely new day dream.

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                        • #13
                          I've actually thought of getting one of these or these to carry. though I do reflexively do the "New York Slap" if I have the walk light and a car gets impatient.
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                          • #14
                            Where I'm from, it's the law for drivers to stop for pedestrians crossing the street. Unfortunately, some drivers don't follow that law and it really annoys me.

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                            • #15
                              I can see both sides; I use my motorbike to go to work on, but walk down to the village and use buses and trains to get to town, cuz the one way system there scares me to death. O.o

                              For Pedestrians:

                              1. Idiots who rev and/or slowly creep forward at zebra crossings. It seriously creeps me out when I'm crossing and some car driver's looking like he wants to run me over.

                              2. Running red lights. Red = stop, moron. I should not have to leap out the way when it's a red light and therefore, I can cross the road.

                              3. The aforementioned one way system. It is absolutely awful; a river Styx of road that twists all around the town and is uncrossable, even at the crossing points. (see 2.) I hate it so much, I now get the bus into town every time.

                              Against Pedestrians:

                              1. The brainless idiots who not only meander accross the road as if they're walking down a country lane, but also stop in the middle of the road to have a chat. Get the hell out of the road, dammit!

                              2. If I hit a pedestrian who's more stupid than a five year old and does not know their green cross code; ie, to look left and right before crossing the road, then I will get hurt too as I get thrown off my motorbike to hit pavement. Yes, I can swerve around such morons, but ultimately if I hit one, I will get the blame; even tho it's their fault for being cretins who can't use their eyes for once in their pointless existance.

                              3. Children. When I was a child, and walking alongside a road, my mum used to clutch my hand in a vice like grip. Yet I see all the time mothers glibly chatting on their mobiles while walking next to a main road, with their kids running all over it. That's just an accident waiting to happen, and it's just a shame that the children have to suffer for their mother's stupidity when the inevitable happens and they get hit by a car.
                              "Oh wow, I can't believe how stupid I used to be and you still are."

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