Hate The Work For The Genre

[Hyena Dandy]

I hate it when people criticize a work 'flaws' endemic to its genre.

I don't mind criticizing works. And if you hate the genre, its perfectly reasonable to say, "I can't stand [X] [Art Form]"

But I think to critique it PROPERLY, you have to at least accept the genre.

For example, take Twilight.

Its reasonable to criticize Twilight because the vampires are overpowered, or because its less romantic and more stalkerly. I primarily criticize it myself for the ridiculously purple prose.

Its not reasonable to criticize Twilight because of how much focus is on romance. Its a romance story, and the romance is SUPPOSED to be forefront.

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[insertNameHere]

I just hate twilight for making badass vampires into sparkling fairies. Sort of kills the whole vampire genre which is why I hate it for reasons other than being a horrible romance. but I think I see what your going for, about how people point out flaws in one movie, that are just conventions built into the genre.

[Mytical]

I do not hate Twilight, hard to hate something that I have never read or watched..and am not likely to read OR watch. The most annoying thing about Twilight is "Team Edwards" and "Team Jacob" (Or is it Jarod? *shrugs*)..ie the rabid fans. Try just saying "Meh not for me" and you might as well said "I am going to go stab a puppy." or something. I just am not interested. I can't hate or dislike what I have never read or seen, but I can not be interested. I'm not interested in hitting myself on the head with a hammer..though I've never tried hitting myself on the head with a hammer.

[Gravekeeper]

Its not reasonable to criticize Twilight because of how much focus is on romance. Its a romance story, and the romance is SUPPOSED to be forefront.

I critize it because of its focus on being a horrible, horrible example of "romance" in the same category as Ike and Tina. It can focus on romance all it wants, in fact I wish it would. But it doesn't. It focuses on "omfg stalking is sooooo hawt".

I do not hate Twilight, hard to hate something that I have never read or watched..and am not likely to read OR watch. The most annoying thing about Twilight is "Team Edwards" and "Team Jacob" (Or is it Jarod? *shrugs*)..ie the rabid fans.

I'm with Team Guy That Almost Hit Bella With A Car.

[HYHYBT]

Unless you *like* the genre, you're in no position to see what is and isn't good about a particular work within it.

[Hyena Dandy]

Or at least accept the genre.


And there are plenty of things to criticize Twilight on, don't get me wrong. I don't want to make this about Twilight, though.

The romance is crap, and it makes sense to criticize it on having a crappy romance, but not as much to criticize it on being focused on romance.

I'm not saying its great, but I'm saying there are valid and invalid criticisms of it.




And HYHYBT basically said what I intended to say. You have to like, or at the very least, ACCEPT the genre. Every genre has certain breaks you're supposed to go with. If you criticize a fighting game for being... Well, a bad example of the genre, that makes sense. But if you just criticize it on thing endemic to the nature, it doesn't.

[Kheldarson]

To go with a less specific example, it would be complaining that a fantasy novel relies too much on magic to fix things, when magic is usually an integral part of the fantasy genre. But it would be okay to complain that the rules of how magic fixes things keep changing in that same novel just to allow it to keep fixing things.

Does that summarize it, HD?

[Greenday]

Twilight is to Romance as Porn is Real Sex.

Neither are an accurate representation.

[Mytical]

Wait...you mean "I want to turn you into lunch!" ISN'T real romance???

[Gravekeeper]

Unless you *like* the genre, you're in no position to see what is and isn't good about a particular work within it.

I have no problem with the genre. Just Twilight.

Also, I have to disagree with you in a fashion. Many of the failings in Twilight are universal, not genre specific. You don't need to know or like a particular genre to be able to recognize shitty writing, bad characters, etc. Anyone is in a position to criticize that.

[Andara Bledin]

Unless you *like* the genre, you're in no position to see what is and isn't good about a particular work within it.

Not so. You can dislike a genre and still recognize whether or not works within the genre are done well or not.

Take most of the classics they make kids read in school in the US. Most of them are dry and, honestly, boring for the typical teen. There were several that I would have never chosen to read, even though I'm a bookworm, but I could recognize their merits.

^-.-^

[Hyena Dandy]

You don't have to like the genre, but you at least have to accept it.

A better example would be someone complaining about how Star Trek or Star Wars or The Matrix are bad science fiction because they're not actually scientifically accurate. They're soft sci-fi. That's an entire genre of work.

If you don't like the genre, that's fine. You can say "I hate soft science fiction."

But don't say that Star Trek, Star Wars, or The Matrix are bad for not being ACCURATE.




Basically what it boils down to is: Don't accuse something of being terrible for failing to be what it never said it was.

And let's stop being derailed by Twilight.