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    Okay, so I got asked why I wish we could make ignorance of the law an excuse for not obeying.

    The logic seems simple: Why would we want to allow people to claim "I didn't know" in response to being thrown in jail?

    Check out Dumb Laws. A few wonderful examples:
    • New Jersey: It is against the law to “frown” at a police officer.
    • Pennsylvania: It is illegal to have over 16 women live in a house together because that constitutes a brothel.
    • New York: It is illegal to have over 16 women live in a house together because that constitutes a brothel.


    That's just some of the more blatant ones. Toss in the IRS tax code, which requires a specialist to fully understand everything (thus getting the maximum deductions, and maintaining the most of your money). Throw in a federal criminal code, a state criminal code, a county criminal code, and a township criminal code.

    Now, consider this: Drive from town A to town B, and pass through town C. It is possible to do something that is considered a crime in town C, even though it's very possible that you never even stop in the town, and obey all the normal traffic laws.

    It's even more fun if you cross a state line on a regular basis, since you can have two different states, and multiple townships, to contend with.

    Finally, for real fun, there are townships where it is difficult, if not impossible, to get a list of the laws which you are supposed to follow. The lawyers who actually write the laws are claiming copyright on the laws, and preventing open distribution to the public.

    So, at least in this country (USA), it is difficult, if not impossible, to know all the laws to which you are subjected at any one time. And quite a few of them exist such that you would never expect to run afoul of them, because you just can't imagine they exist.

    Even with all that, we can't allow ignorance of the law to be an excuse, because then some jackass will claim "When did the law get written that said I couldn't hurt someone while they were beating my dog?", and that will open the floodgates.

    This is a problem that I just don't know how to fix.

  • #2
    Originally posted by Pedersen View Post
    [*]New York: It is illegal to have over 16 women live in a house together because that constitutes a brothel.
    I'm sure there are some nuns who'd be surprised to find themselves living in a brothel.

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    • #3
      Here is one of my favorites from home, in NJ:

      It is illegal to wear a bullet-proof vest while committing a murder.

      Because...it's legal to murder without a bullet-proof vest?
      Violence has resolved more conflicts than anything else. The contrary opinion that violence doesn't solve anything is merely wishful thinking at its worst. - Starship Troopers

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Greenday View Post
        It is illegal to wear a bullet-proof vest while committing a murder.

        Because...it's legal to murder without a bullet-proof vest?
        I'm guessing its legal to wear a bullet-proof vest while not committing murder.

        The real question is, what the hell kind of f$%ked up situation preceded this law getting passed to begin with?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Pedersen View Post
          Okay, so I got asked why I wish we could make ignorance of the law an excuse for not obeying.

          The logic seems simple: Why would we want to allow people to claim "I didn't know" in response to being thrown in jail?
          Oh...Ok... gotchya. Sorry - the example you used was killing someone.. that's all.

          yeah - those obscure ones... but they're not really a situation where the person should be prosecuted, but the law should be changed. I mean... 16 girls living in one house is a matter for them, and would infringe on their rights to tell them they can't live together. (besides... what if mum has her 3 daughters and various granddaughters come over for a while... along with her sister and nieces?)


          Hey... is there still that law about $500 fine for setting off a thermonuclear device within city limits?


          Slyt
          ZOE: Preacher, don't the Bible got some pretty specific things to say about killing?

          SHEPHERD BOOK: Quite specific. It is, however, Somewhat fuzzier on the subject of kneecaps.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Slytovhand View Post
            Oh...Ok... gotchya. Sorry - the example you used was killing someone.. that's all.
            I know. It was just the only thing I could come up with at the time. I figured it was new thread worthy, and therefore I should put more effort into making it coherent.

            Originally posted by Slytovhand View Post
            yeah - those obscure ones... but they're not really a situation where the person should be prosecuted, but the law should be changed. I mean... 16 girls living in one house is a matter for them, and would infringe on their rights to tell them they can't live together. (besides... what if mum has her 3 daughters and various granddaughters come over for a while... along with her sister and nieces?)
            The law should be changed, but it's not likely to happen, unfortunately. And until it does happen, they are laws that can be used to harass people. All of which is very unfortunate.

            Originally posted by Slytovhand View Post
            Hey... is there still that law about $500 fine for setting off a thermonuclear device within city limits?
            I don't know. What was that about being able to look up anything online instantly?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Slytovhand View Post
              Hey... is there still that law about $500 fine for setting off a thermonuclear device within city limits?


              Slyt
              Yup, it's in LA and it's still on the books.

              Oh, and the beauty of the lawyers claiming copyright law? it means you can't be charged under it. Why? Because they can only enforce the copyright until it gets approval from the governing body. The catch is that once that happens, by federal law it becomes public access.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by lordlundar View Post
                Oh, and the beauty of the lawyers claiming copyright law? it means you can't be charged under it. Why? Because they can only enforce the copyright until it gets approval from the governing body. The catch is that once that happens, by federal law it becomes public access.
                Wanna bet?


                Those were just the two I could find easily. Unfortunately, googling for anything with the term copyright or copyrighted was giving me mostly hits about copyright law, not about laws being copyrighted themselves.

                BTW, further research on the Veeck case shows that even though that case was decided in favor of the public, other cases in other circuits were decided in favor of the copyright holder. As such, depending on where that case is heard determines your personal outcome, until such time as the Supreme Court gets around to dealing with the issue, anyway.

                Now, tell me that doesn't sound ludicrous: You're not allowed to give people copies of the law because it's copyrighted. If they want a copy, they have to visit the governing body which instantiated the law, and pay for the copy that way (unless said governing body has posted the laws online, which not all of them have done so).

                Are we having fun yet?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Pedersen View Post
                  I don't know. What was that about being able to look up anything online instantly?
                  I have no idea... what??

                  Actually - I did a quick search using 'thermonuclear' as the keyword, only gave me the one in Wisconscon and the manufacture and transport.

                  Slyt
                  ZOE: Preacher, don't the Bible got some pretty specific things to say about killing?

                  SHEPHERD BOOK: Quite specific. It is, however, Somewhat fuzzier on the subject of kneecaps.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Boozy View Post
                    I'm guessing its legal to wear a bullet-proof vest while not committing murder.

                    The real question is, what the hell kind of f$%ked up situation preceded this law getting passed to begin with?
                    It is probably in the same vein as using a scanner in the commission of a crime. So, if you have a scanner, a gun and a bulletproof vest and commit a crime...you're in deep shit.

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