Swearing

[RecoveringKinkoid]

Didn't realize there was another post to reply to so here goes....


I'm not expecting special treatment nor asking for it. I just want SAME treatment.

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If you didn't read the TOS of whatever site you're kvetching about, you are. You didn't read pertinent info, THEY didn't read pertinent info.

And I would submit that if you have time to hang out on message boards, then you have time to read a TOS. This is a leisure activity. If you have time for a leisure activity, you have time to read a page or two of house rules.

If you don't, log off, get up, and get busy with whatever is so pressing.

[DrFaroohk]

If you didn't read the TOS of whatever site you're kvetching about, you are. You didn't read pertinent info, THEY didn't read pertinent info.

Seriously? Have you honestly skipped over my posts? I was using that AS AN EXAMPLE.

E-X-A-M-P-L-E. I've explained this. I'm not claiming I don't have time to read the posts.

I'm saying it's not ok for one person to say they don't have time to read, but then to expect me to read everything.

Got it? Can I make it any more clear? Cuz I'm getting tired of people once again misreading everything I write and then changing the subject and whatever else is going on. It's getting old.

But again to clarify...

I'm not claiming I don't have time to read the posts.

I'm saying it's not ok for one person to say they don't have time to read, but then to expect me to read everything.

[RecoveringKinkoid]

It's perfectly reasonable to ask you to read the TOS regardless of what everyone else does. Someone else's slack behavior is not an excuse for everyone to be slack. Maybe you're not, but you're wrong about it not being fair. It's perfectly fair and reasonable.

Because you're supposed to read the TOS.

If someone else isn't that's someone else's issue. If there is favoritism that no one is willing to resolve, leave the site. But there is no unfairness here in expecting everyone who uses the site to read the TOS.

[DrFaroohk]

That would be a very valid argument if I seriously felt that no one has to read the TOS.

[linguist]

I'm saying it's not ok for one person to say they don't have time to read, but then to expect me to read everything.

this is a rather ridiculous and far-fetched apples to oranges comparison.

nobody is asking you to read *everything*. nowhere has anyone made mention of the necessity of you reading every single post on the board every single day, which is what you are asking of the mods.

you are being asked to read a single document, one which on most fora you must acknowledge having read and understood before you're even allowed to register. so either you read it and agree to it, or you prove yourself a liar. maybe you'll have to read updates once or twice a year. but still, being asked to read a single document vs. what can be hundreds of daily posts on some fora is nowhere near a valid comparison.

[Ginger Tea]

I was under the impression you were not asked to read all the posts, perhaps that should be a "clean all the things!" gif, but you expected a mod to read all the posts no matter how many there were or how long it would take them, considering this is an unpaid gig and everyone has something to do with their free time than spend every spare moment reading every post ever on a forum.

I as a user, only read threads that take my fancy, I am under no obligation to read every sodding page of a thread that didn't interest me past the OP, or even the title.
You as a user, are also under no obligation to read, read, read, read, read thread after thread till the cows come home, just the ones that interest you.
All that is asked of we users, is that we read the TOS, once upon sign up and perhaps again as a refresher, if we are PM'ed or told in a thread that what we are posting goes against the TOS.

[Andara Bledin]

I feel sorry for the ones who still won't get it.

It's shit like this that gets people to single you out over others.

Maybe if you tried to be less aggressively unpleasant to everybody who doesn't think like you, you wouldn't have so much trouble being targeted.

So I'm just applying that universally. I don't the excuse, so no one else does either.

It amuses me that you think that poster duties are somehow the same as mod duties.

As posters, we all are supposed to know the rules of the forum. That includes everybody, posters and mods alike.

Mods have a separate duty to enforce rules when they find infractions, whether that be through reading the forum themselves or by other posters finding infractions and using the report button like adults. They do not, and have never had, a duty to read every single post on the board. To claim otherwise is ridiculous.

Yeah reread that a couple of times and if you don't realize you just said, "They aren't out to get me except they are" then I don't know what language your speaking.

No, no. Go over that again. He said that he doesn't think that "everybody" is out to get him. But some people really are.

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[RecoveringKinkoid]

Well, I want to know straight up: Did Dr. F read the TOS on the board we're talking about? He never said he didn't have to, granted. But he didn't say he actually did it.

The way the statement was written implies you didn't read it. If we are misinterpreting that, then I for one apologize. However, the way the posts were worded led me there.

So, Dr. F...did you in fact read the TOS?

Also, suggesting the mods read each and every post because the users are strongly urged to read the TOS is a ludicrous argument. That comment is on the same level as my five year old complaining it's not fair she has to pick up the half dozen toys she scattered about while I'm cleaning the entire house, folding laundry, and cooking supper.

The users are not asked to read each and every post. They are asked to do the same thing the mods have to do: familiarize themselves with the TOS and try to be alert to violations. The mods have volunteered to do extra duty by having to zero in on potential problematic posts (even if they are not interested in the thread), fend off spam, and be the whipping boy when some poster or another gets pissed off for being pulled up on his behavior.

Is this fair? Do you want it to be?

[Ginger Tea]

I had a real life work around for swearing at work, I was once told off for swearing at work, although I am of the oppinion like Blas, it's a factory get over it.

"But you let the Polish and Lithuainians swear."
"That's cos I don't know the language to know what they are saying."
"I don't either, but I know a forign Shit and a Fuck when I hear it."
At the time we had promoted one Lithuainian and one Polish employee to team leader, mostly so we had someone who could tell them what to do negating the excuse of "I didn't do it cos I didn't know what you meant.", if they were not going to inforce any no swearing policy for forign swear words, then I would just swear in forign.
Actually I cheated, I once told someone "Denwa bango!" in the context of go fuck yourself, but one guy who used to teach english as a forign language in Japan asked "Why did you just shout out telephone number?"
"Not so loud, I want them to think it means something nasty."

which sigues into
Store guy was learning Russian insults off one guy, if I was in his shoes, I would totally mess with him, I would have him branding a broken beer bottle yelling in Russian "I want to give you a blow job!"

Also, just cos someone has broken the rules and gotten away with it, it doesn't mean its fair to do the same, granted the first instance may not have been seen by a mod or reported to one, then again, said poster mght be on a different level in their eyes and get away with anything short of murder.

Sure I've posted this before ...
Again with a real work related issue, one guy could get away with chronic sexual harrasment and never be reported, I don't know if they just laughed it off or didn't know the pollicy and how UK laws might differ from back home (I still think the agency tries to rob them blind telling them that X is the nat min wage and Y (the real nat min wage) is so much better.).
We once had a sexual harrasment at work woman come in, at first I thought maybe someone did say something about it and we were all being given the talk instead of just singling out the real culprit, also, I have no idea how much of it anyone understood as English is not really needed to undertake the tasks at hand.
One of the office girls said she didn't like it when this guy grabs her hand and says "hey baby bla bla bla."
and his responce?
"Well maybe I should kiss you." cue everyone bar me the woman in question and the woman running the talk giggling, yet did she bring that up as something NOT to do? did she fuck, although she did say that it doesn't have to be the person being harrased that could make a complaint, so I was tempted to file a complaint then and there.
For a time I was lucky to not get a talking to for just saying hello and being friendly, yet this guy could damn near fuck someone in the unit and get away with it.

He was eventually taken to task over it "Everyone knows I'm joking." yeah everyone knows I'm only joking when I say <enter sackable comment here>, doen't mean I should say it at work.
The woman in question took offence to him calling her baby or something (don't know as he works in the main unit and I have my own giant fridge mostly to myself) but she didn't go to the office, she told her driver boyfriend who took offence and complained, it's like the report button.

Supervisors can not see everything everywhere, we do not have CCTV with audio to make sure no one is saying anything they shouldn't, so I stopped bringing up the fact that some people do the same shit that is meant to be a sackable offence, as unless a supervisor sees it, its just my word.

Well guess what, same guy as above was seen by a supervisor doing something that is meant to be a sackable offence and did fuck all about it, even denied being there at the time.
When we had less work, I used to share the same fridge, funny I saw him talk to him only a few meters away and he was eating a sandwich at the time.
Eating in the unit a sackable offence, on paper anyway, its hard to enforce it when the team leaders also eat in the unit.

[DrFaroohk]

Yeah reread that a couple of times and if you don't realize you just said, "They aren't out to get me except they are" then I don't know what language your speaking.

Still not getting it.

Out to get me = people sitting at home all day scheming against me. This is stupid and it doesn't happen.

So no one can ever use the argument again that I think everyone's out to get me. It has been definitively stated here by the masterful expert on ME, which is of course...ME.

What I'm saying happens is that I'm an easy target. And it tends to suck. you wonder where my attitude came from? My defensiveness and snark? Yeah, I didn't just wake up one day and say "how can I piss off all these nice wonderful people in the world? Things are going great, I'd better develop an attitude and learn how to upset people and make them hate me just by saying good morning!"

[jackfaire]

What is the difference between "People are out to get me"

and "If people want to pick on someone it will always be me"

The fact that one is premeditated and the other is not?

[RecoveringKinkoid]

Still not getting it.

You're right, but I'd like to. Did you read the TOS?

[DrFaroohk]

Why all this harping on the TOS? What difference does it make? I don't see the point. So what if I read it? So what if I didn't read it? What does it have to do with this particular thing?

[Ginger Tea]

Erm, if it says "if you swear[1] we will ban you for a day or two." then alot, [1] could also mean using $ to replace S in $hit @ for A in @$$hole.

The whole point of the thread was about swearing in forums, if however you had created the exact same thread but titled

Double standards

or

One rule for you, one rule for me.

Then use how person A swore using @$$hole and got away with it, yet you said @$$hole and got a 2 day suspension, this thread would not be 149 posts long.

[Andara Bledin]

Why all this harping on the TOS? What difference does it make? I don't see the point. So what if I read it? So what if I didn't read it? What does it have to do with this particular thing?

Considering the TOS are the "rules" of a forum and your original post was about people "not following their own rules," I can't see how the TOS is not intrinsically relevant to the entire matter.

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