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    I am not going to state the name of the site in particular that concerns me as I don't need a libel case on my hands.

    My issue with online petitions is that often they take something that if someone were to say it and you aren't thinking about it sounds like it's a horrible situation and damn it let me sign that petition right now.

    But then you start thinking about it. The example I will use is following but please if you want to debate it create a different thread this is about the petitions.

    Woman is arrested for sending their kids to school in a different district than the one they were living in because she felt the school in their area was in a dangerous unsafe area and thus not a good learning environment for her kids. The Petition then asks that we sign a petition asking the state in question to improve their schools. All while telling us how this conviction has messed up this woman's career goals.

    Things they never mention:

    1) Why she was actually arrested? I am sorry but they don't arrest you if you send your kids to another school unless the following are true

    A) You lied about where you lived and defrauded the state instead of going through proper channels and getting a boundary exception.

    B) You sent your kids to the other school for their education but didn't enroll them as official students nor remove them from the other school thus what the schools see is that your kids are playing hooky and in some places if you aren't making sure your kids go to school you will be arrested for it.

    2) If the reason she did this was because the school she was supposed to send them to is in a dangerous and unsafe neighborhood then how is improving the school going to stop it from being an unsafe and dangerous neighborhood? Wouldn't the same problems still exist?

    3) In what ways do you want to improve the schools you want me to sign a petition to get better schools but in what way do you think the school could be made better. I doubt anyone thinks we should make schools worse. Shouldn't your petition tell your government what you feel needs change instead of giving them a bunch of signatures that say, "Change something"

    Honestly that's the equivalent of walking up to the front counter at a fast food restaurant and saying, "My food was wrong fix it" but refusing to tell them how your food was wrong or how to fix it leaving them not really able to do much except to make you another burger which may be the exact same because they don't know what the problem is.

    I am losing respect for petitions because of this it seems like petitions are less about legitimately bringing attention to issues or getting people who care about an issue to rally around.

    If you can't offer me full disclosure of the details surrounding a situation then let me tell you "Adam Carolla I will not sign your petition to end Women's Suffrage"
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    I actually saw an email today about that very same petition. Yeah they can get old really fast. And it's hard to tell what's going on without the whole story sometimes.
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    • #3
      I saw it too; the ones where it might not be as it appears go straight into the trash. Of course, so do the half of them that come in addressed to "Dear Oldsmobile," because no matter how much I might agree with a particular cause I cannot sign that as my name.
      "My in-laws are country people and at night you can hear their distinctive howl."

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      • #4
        I know you asked not to talk about the individual case but petitions in general, but I only have a quick comment.
        Originally posted by jackfaire View Post
        2) If the reason she did this was because the school she was supposed to send them to is in a dangerous and unsafe neighborhood then how is improving the school going to stop it from being an unsafe and dangerous neighborhood? Wouldn't the same problems still exist?
        A tramp in an Armani suit is still a tramp.

        Petitions on the whole, written or online are not the best for true public oppinion, you may not be a resident of the state or even the country, so does your oppinion matter that much to those that see it?
        "20 people from the UK think we suck."
        "Do they pay taxes in this state?"
        "Course not."
        "Then fuck em."

        or they start reading the list of names (this is mostly written ones
        Donnald Duck
        Vlad the Impaler
        Indiana Jones
        etc.

        As they are not a valid legaly binding agreement, I could sign one pettition for something then go to the next person signing against it and a third saying the world would be better if it was run by Unicorns.

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        • #5
          Not to mention that written petitions get screwed by dishonest people our for signatures because they get paid for each one, so they don't care if you say you have already signed the same petition with a different person..... or like the one my work had up where by the time the manager came back in the morning there BETTER BE X more names. Well don't worry, Donald Ducky, mickey Mouse, Juan Pablo Escabar, Willy Wonka, Adolf Hilter, Wu-Tang Clan, etc all are standing behind our credit card petition. Oddly, one manager was pissed to find out I had not and WOULD NOT sign the petition because I didn't believe in it and I told him, I will ask people if your paying me to do it, but I do not believe government needs to regulate what a credit card company charges you to run a transaction. They already fucked up the rates/ it didn't matter that they can't jack your rate up if you miss a payment.... the solution RAISE your rate for no reason, but issue a X amount rebate that makes it your old rate, you lose that rebate if you miss a payment..... same thing as before.

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          • #6
            I do not like on-line petitions. the most "famous" one that comes to mind is from 2002. this was just after 9/11 AND when the Lord of the Rings Trilogy had just come out.

            some dumb ass started a petition (maybe as a social experiment) to change the name of both the book and the movie "The Two Towers" to something more "sensitve to the thos who perished on 9/11" The "HOW DARE you name some book and movie 'The Two Towers'!!!!!!! that is insensitive. I DEMAND you immediately change the name". more frothing and ranting.

            http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2002...wers-petition/

            http://www.petitiononline.com/TTrebuke/petition.html

            the petitoner got powned over and over
            I'm lost without a paddle and I'm headed up sh*t creek.

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