Remembrance Day talkers

[SkullKing]

Probably a good analogy to use is like someone continually talking during a priest reciting a prayer at a funeral. Even if you aren't necessarily religious, you still shut up while the prayer is" being recited.

If it is a funeral, I may very well, not go. I will only respect if I think the person deserves it.

This thing seems to be nationwide, so it seems harder to avoid.

Indeed, there's 525600 minutes in the year, it's not that hard to shut up for 1 or 2 of them once a year to show some respect for the people who fought for you to have those minutes to do something with.

But did they? How do you know their motivation for fighting?

It seems lots of people automatically assume a soldier is a self sacrificing hero fighting for his nation, instead of just being someone who found he had a talent for soldiering, or an idiot who went away to kill people so someone could further their political agenda, not to mention the bullies who like the power they can get in the army.


I do not know the history of the Australian Army, so forgive if i sound ignorant(I am), or rude(for it is not my itention), It is just that the relation most people here have with their country´s military is very different from mine.
It is very hard for me to understand the soldier=hero mentality.

There are many heroic deeds done in the military, but there are also many horrible ones



That being said, deliberatedly deciding to go on with your life ignoring the moment because you do not agree with it, is different than simply carelessly talking on because you do not care about other people, or simply to talk to annoy others.

[Lace Neil Singer]

You can silently ignore the moment; talking during the silence is disrespectful, both to those it honours, and those who are honouring it.

For example; let's say that I, an English person, become an exchange student at an American school. I do not wish to say the pledge, cuz I'm not American; it also has religious overtones which I as an atheist do not agree with. However, rather than sitting down and talking all the way thru it, I instead stand and stay quiet, so as not to disrespect the others. I may not be paying attention to what's being said, but neither am I disrupting it. That's a fair compromise.

[SkullKing]

I completely Agree.

However, what if you are an American who actively dislikes both the pledge and the necessity of having to spend time of your day at it. And wants to make an statement against it and it's related policies in a "civil disobedience" kind of thing?.

because we did that at our old school, it was a way of showing that we did not care for the national anthem, nor being herded out of class and losing time being forced to sing it.

[RecoveringKinkoid]

I will only respect if I think the person deserves it.

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Congratulations. This may well be the most arrogant thing I've seen written on here.

So, people are only due respect if you deem them so.

At this point, I'm really curious as to who you really are that you are in a position to make that call.

Let me make another analogy, at the risk of making an almost Godfrey's Law type leap: The Westboro Baptist Church does not deem those whose funerals they spoil with their "civil disobedience" worthy of their respect. They have a right to not "respect" the service, the deceased, and the bereaved. They also have a "right", evidently, to behave any way they want during the occasion.

Are you okay with that? If not, why not? Where do you draw the line in what is acceptable and what is not?

So you say you have a right to talk during the moment of silcence. Yes, you're right, you do. Someone standing beside you might be remembering a spouse or a parent or a child. You talk during it because you "have a right." While you're talking, do you have a right to say whatever you want? Should you?

Where is your line drawn?

[siead_lietrathua]

i think that's the bottom line of it. its something done out of a sense of respect and just plain politeness.
when did being polite become a horrible inconvenience for people?

[SkullKing]

Congratulations. This may well be the most arrogant thing I've seen written on here.

So, people are only due respect if you deem them so.

At this point, I'm really curious as to who you really are that you are in a position to make that call.

Let me make another analogy, at the risk of making an almost Godfrey's Law type leap: The Westboro Baptist Church does not deem those whose funerals they spoil with their "civil disobedience" worthy of their respect. They have a right to not "respect" the service, the deceased, and the bereaved. They also have a "right", evidently, to behave any way they want during the occasion.

Are you okay with that? If not, why not? Where do you draw the line in what is acceptable and what is not?

So you say you have a right to talk during the moment of silcence. Yes, you're right, you do. Someone standing beside you might be remembering a spouse or a parent or a child. You talk during it because you "have a right." While you're talking, do you have a right to say whatever you want? Should you?



Where is your line drawn?

Who are you to say I should respect someone who bullied me, or took advantage of me ?. If you would, that is your problem,. But I see nothing wrong with me not doing it.

As I said before, I can choose not to go to a funeral.

I Would not go to a politician's funeral in order to agravate the familly, however I see nothing wrong with not making a minute of silence for that politician, If I think he was corrupt, And see my school making me do it as an insult.

And yes, I respect those I believe deserve respect. And If you can´t make a decision if someone is worthy of your respect, Do you threat everyone with the same respect regardless of if they deserve it or not?

Judging someone is important, One must make decisions, on who to support, on who to stand for or against. On who to trust or not.

Yes there is some people I do not respect.(I may be polite). I think that is a GOOD thing. It is a manifestation of my morals, of my capacity to say:'what you did is wrong and it offends me"

Once again I won´t respect someone who bullied me, or took advantage of me. If you would, that is your problem,. But I see nothing wrong with me not doing it.

[siead_lietrathua]

skullking, there is a diffrence between being polite and being respectful. just because you wont volunteer for a vigil for a politician you hate doesnt mean you should intentionally disrupt it. it's just rude to those that do care.
same with rememberance day, and other moments of mourning or reflection. interupting others, jarring them from the moment, with your intentional actions can easily be seen as rude.
also, rememberance day is about remembering soldiers, individuals. i doubt every war vet has personally offended you. they may not have earned your respect on a personal level, but that doesnt mean they automatically diserve your DISrespect either.

[SkullKing]

As you will see, I only said about disrupting something when it may be mandatory.

I specifically said that I wouldnt intentionally got o a service and disrupt it.

And yes, I agrre there is a differnce between respect and politeness

[siead_lietrathua]

but you don't have to disrupt it at all. sit and doodle in a notebook or ask to go to the bathroom a few minutes before it starts and dont return till it's over. your dislike of an event doesnt mean you have the right to ruin it for other people.

we had a kid in highschool who did the same sort of thing, making an ass of himself during the assembly on rememberance day. he ended up going home early that day. not because of the teachers or anything like that, but because the other students, both offended and pissed off, threatened to "re-educate" the kid, with their fists.

were they right to want to? i wont comment on it. but if people insist on being rude they shouldn't be suprised when they get it right back.

[SkullKing]

but you don't have to disrupt it at all. sit and doodle in a notebook or ask to go to the bathroom a few minutes before it starts and dont return till it's over. your dislike of an event doesnt mean you have the right to ruin it for other people.

Ok, I can accept that.

In my case were marched to the gymnasium and the teahcer had to accoutn for everyone before things started, but it seem to be an extreme case and not applicable to this remembrance day.

[Iseeyouthere]

Ok, I can accept that.

In my case were marched to the gymnasium and the teahcer had to accoutn for everyone before things started, but it seem to be an extreme case and not applicable to this remembrance day.

You don't have to do any praying or remembering if you don't want to. You just gotta be quiet for a few minutes. My school had us walk to an area as well to stand and stay silent. I know a bunch of people who didn't really wanna be there, but they stayed silent. Why? Because it considered polite and its not that hard to stay silent.

I'm pretty sure that whatever you have to say can wait until the BRIEF moment of silence has past.

It is the same as going to a movie... you may not like this movie... so do you talk all the way through it and ruin it for others?
Or do you stay quiet and wait until it is over?

Just because you don't want to, doesn't mean you have to disrupt it for others.

[XCashier]

I really like this vid about this. :-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kX_3y3u5Uo

That's a beautiful song, and an excellent video. Thank you for posting it.

[Lace Neil Singer]

I just don't see why it's so difficult to stay silent for what, two minutes? Unless you're having a medical emergency, such as a heart attack, it's not going to kill you to shut up.

[fireheart17]

So Remembrance Day was yesterday for us Aussie folk.

I was actually driving when it happened-the radio actually stopped for a minute, playing Remembrance Day messages on either side of the minute (after 11:00am, they played the Last Post). One school took it one step further and had 102,000 (not a typo) red poppies dropped onto a school oval.

[Ginger Tea]

The 11 11 remberance day I thought was world wide, or atleast by the Allies of WWI, we in the UK mark it with 2 minutes on the day and then another 2 on the Sunday after (unless the 11th is a sunday)
I do not recall ever being marched into an assembly hall at school for the silence, we just put down our books and sat in silence. I can see you taking issue if you had to go out of your way for perhaps 15 minutes round trip across school to stand for a minute or two then return, but once you leave school you don't have to be anywhere specific, its not like you have to all go to the nearest wallmart parking lot enmass to be silent.

I didn't start work till noon yesterday, so I didn't find out if anyone didn't observe the silence, but one year even with the radio off and an announcement of the silence, alot of our recent migration workforce were yammering away and that did get alot of the few native employees bitching about 'ignorant forigners', I myself did want to tell the closest to me to STFU, but then it would mean me talking during the silence.
As I said at the top of my post, I thought it was international, but my experiance that year said either it wasn't or people from that neck of the woods really didn't give a fuck.