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  • #16
    Don't forget Arthur Ashe. He did a lot as "only" a sports figure.

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    Faith is about what you do. It's about aspiring to be better and nobler and kinder than you are. It's about making sacrifices for the good of others. - Dresden

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Hyena Dandy View Post
      While I would agree Tebow is really no-one of consequence, I really hate the attitude that sports are unimportant, idle distractions we'd all be better off without.
      I think he meant someone of no consequence in the Kardashian sense, sure he might go on to do great things, but right now, he's nothing more than A QB who might have a few seasons ahead of him, and then onto retirement in obscurity once his 15 minutes are up, except in certain circles.

      For another example, see Stever Young, if you went "who?" You're not a Mormon or a long time 49ers fan.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by bunnyboy View Post
        I think he meant someone of no consequence in the Kardashian sense, sure he might go on to do great things, but right now, he's nothing more than A QB who might have a few seasons ahead of him, and then onto retirement in obscurity once his 15 minutes are up, except in certain circles.

        For another example, see Stever Young, if you went "who?" You're not a Mormon or a long time 49ers fan.
        Should probably switch that "a long time 49ers fan" part for "or you don't follow football more than extremely casually".
        Violence has resolved more conflicts than anything else. The contrary opinion that violence doesn't solve anything is merely wishful thinking at its worst. - Starship Troopers

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        • #19
          Too bad, so sad, everyone with a Tebow boner. Packers are America's favorite team, said the dudes on Sunday Night Football the other night.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by blas87 View Post
            Too bad, so sad, everyone with a Tebow boner. Packers are America's favorite team, said the dudes on Sunday Night Football the other night.
            Don't make me start another thread. The Packers are as much America's team as the Cowboys used to be...a.k.a. they aren't.
            Violence has resolved more conflicts than anything else. The contrary opinion that violence doesn't solve anything is merely wishful thinking at its worst. - Starship Troopers

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            • #21
              Michigan's Quarterback will take a knee in the Endzone, but he's been doing it since his Freshman year, so I don't think he's mimicking Tebow when he does it. I'm kind of indifferent to it...it looks neat but I'm not one ot wear my religion on my sleeve.

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              • #22
                I'd really love to hear why the Packers don't deserve the title as America's team. Considering they are publically owned, rarely have many players who are criminals, give back to their fans, participate with fans in the game (Lambeau leap), and are team players more than they ever were when Favre was leading the pack (no pun).

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by blas87 View Post
                  I'd really love to hear why the Packers don't deserve the title as America's team.
                  I'd like to hear one legit reason why they are.

                  Originally posted by blas87 View Post
                  Considering they are publically owned
                  So they are Wisconsin's team, not America's team.

                  Originally posted by blas87 View Post
                  rarely have many players who are criminals, give back to their fans, participate with fans in the game (Lambeau leap)
                  You can say that about the majority of teams in the NFL.

                  Originally posted by blas87 View Post
                  are team players more than they ever were when Favre was leading the pack (no pun).
                  Don't see how that's related to being America's team.

                  If you stated that they are the least hated team in America, I could go with that. I don't know anyone that hates that Packers. But to be America's team, the majority of America needs to be rooting for you. That's not happening with them. New Orleans was the last "America's Team". When they were in the Super Bowl after Katrina, nearly EVERYONE was rooting for them. Dallas was never America's team and neither is the Packers.
                  Violence has resolved more conflicts than anything else. The contrary opinion that violence doesn't solve anything is merely wishful thinking at its worst. - Starship Troopers

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                  • #24
                    That was out of pity, not true fandom.

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                    • #25
                      Well, the Packers have done really well this year. As blas said, the fact that they are a publicly owned and largely non-criminal team makes them more popular. The fact that they are easily the most fuck-able team in the NFL doesn't hurt either. Aaron Rodgers, despite all of his success, seems really cool and down to earth...no super-inflated Favre ego.

                      I don't know about 'America's Team', but I'd say that they are intensely likeable and that a lot of casual football fans (who don't have a committed team they root for) will probably cheer for the Packers based on those things.

                      Put it this way. Outside of a few crazed Chiefs fans, and you have to be crazed to be a Chiefs fan, do you think anyone was happy to see their winning streak broken?

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by blas87 View Post
                        That was out of pity, not true fandom.
                        And yet, it was an America moment where everyone was unified.

                        Which non-criminal team are we talking about? They had four this year (2011). Jolly was arrested twice (Both times for drug possession). Underwood attacked his wife. And Walden assaulted his wife. Underwood was also arrested in 2010 for sexually assaulting two women, another guy for DUI that year. 17 arrests since 2000.

                        2 DUIs
                        6 Assault (or battery)
                        2 Sexual Assaults
                        5 Drug Charges
                        1 Weapon Charges
                        1 No Show to Court
                        1 Broke into some girl's dorm room and crapped in her closet while trashed...

                        That's all since 2000. There are many other teams with less incidents. If you are comparing them to the Vikings or Bengals, they may look like angels, but compare them to say the Jets and damn.
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                        • #27
                          The Jets players or the Jets coaches? Because I usually don't hear the word 'Jets' without hearing the words 'cheating' in the same sentence.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by AdminAssistant View Post
                            The Jets players or the Jets coaches? Because I usually don't hear the word 'Jets' without hearing the words 'cheating' in the same sentence.
                            I'm talking about the New York Jets. Which Jets are you talking about?
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