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  • Argumentation 101: Strawman arguments

    Out of all of the bad debating tactics and fallacies that occur when arguing online, I hate strawman arguments more than any other. And, since I've been involved in an argument where my opponent keeps making strawman arguments while insisting that he isn't, I thought that perhaps a primer is in order.

    Wikipedia defines a Straw man argument as:
    A straw man is a type of argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position. To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.
    In short, misrepresenting someone else's argument and/or creating a position that they didn't actually take, in order to counter the false argument, rather than the real one.

    When evaluating an argument, qualifiers are important to determine whether it's a genuine rebuttal or a strawman (qualifiers are adjectives, adverbs, or clauses that alter the meaning of the object). If there are qualifiers in the original statement that are omitted or altered in the rebuttal, it's a straw man. If there are new qualifiers that weren't part of the original statement, the rebuttal is a straw man.

    Take, for example: "Blue Chryslers are dangerous to drive in." If someone responds by talking about the safety of cars in general, blue cars (without including Chryslers), or Chryslers (without talking about the color), it's a straw man.

    Note, however, that it's possible to make the rebuttal stop being a straw man if you note and explain the difference - in the previous sentence, you could respond that Chryslers are safe cars, and the paint job is purely cosmetic, which has nothing to do with safety. You've rebutted the statement completely, because you've addressed the conditionals.

    There are a few words that are used commonly in debate: "Some," "many," and "most." These words are not synonyms, and rebutting them requires different conditions.

    If I said that, "Some roses are pink," The only way to rebut this is to prove that there are no such things as pink roses. A tall order, to be sure!

    If, instead, I said that, "Many roses are pink," I'm saying that pink roses are common - in order to rebut this, you'd effectively have to prove that pink roses are very uncommon.

    And if I said that, "most roses are pink," you'd have the easier task of proving majority - if you could prove that the majority of roses are red (or, in fact, all other colors besides pink), you'd successfully rebut my statement.

    Then there's adding clauses. If I said, "Most roses are pink," and you replied, "All of the roses in my city are blue," your statement could be perfectly factually true, but it would still be a straw man, because my statement said nothing about your city - you're adding a qualifier involving your city. Who knows, maybe the only roses in your city are blue, but right over the city line are ten times as many green roses - you've failed to address my statement adequately.

    Thus ends this minor lesson on strawman arguments, and how not to make them. I suspect that some posters needed this lesson.

    If you have any questions about what makes a straw man that I haven't made clear, please feel free to ask.

  • #2
    I forgot a few details that I meant to add.

    Look closely for qualifiers, or the lack thereof. If there's no qualifier in a sentence and you're talking about quantity or consistency, then the assumed qualifier is, "all." If, for example, I said, "Cars are made of metal," then proving that there are cars made out of plastic would be sufficient to rebut the statement - I'm not creating a straw man by inferring "all," because the original statement does imply it.

    But even then, be careful for hidden conditionals. "Cats can run faster than dogs." That sentence is not the same as, "Cats run fsater than dogs." The word "can" is a conditional.

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    • #3
      i think half the problem is taking internet debates too damn seriously, and forgetting how to read between the lines.
      after all if you say blue chryslers, and someone responds with blue cars, they could be talking about the same car you are down to the damn VIN number and just be wording it diffrently.
      there is a diffrence between strawmen, and nitpicking.

      to the most/some/many, yes the word chosen matters but writing off their entire argument because of one misschosen word is nitpicky as well. correct them, sure, but then address the actual issue instead of breaking off into an argument over the percentages of, say, pink roses in north america, when the topic was supposed to be about if pink or yellow roses make a better anniversary gift.

      edit:

      here's how to fix most problems on this kind of argument.
      when someone says "all blue chryslers are dangerous"
      mentally insert "i think" into the front of it.
      voila, an opinion rather than forcing fact!
      use "i think", and if someone hasn't used it, then imagine they did.

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      Originally posted by Nekojin View Post
      ... for example, I said, "Cars are made of metal," then proving that there are cars made out of plastic would be sufficient to rebut the statement - I'm not creating a straw man by inferring "all," because the original statement does imply it. ...

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      no, but that's a basic trolling practice and annoys the hell out of some individuals.
      the auto qualifier as you read it is all, but other people may read it as some. or they logic enough to realize they may be refering to car parts and not just the bodykit.
      Last edited by siead_lietrathua; 07-27-2012, 11:19 PM.
      All uses of You, You're, and etc are generic unless specified otherwise.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Nekojin View Post
        I suspect that some posters needed this lesson.
        ...but I didn't need this lesson!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by TheHuckster View Post
          ...but I didn't need this lesson!
          i dunno... can you cite your sources to prove you are not part of the "some"? hopefully you are in the "manys". though the "mosts" would be best!

          in all seriousness, if you hate strawman arguments so much, jsut don't feed into it. don't debate it. jsut ignore the post, or at most politely ask for sources. one doesn't have to rage over it. or type in exaggeratedly large fonts like we're back in a 90's era yahoo chat.
          Last edited by siead_lietrathua; 07-27-2012, 11:33 PM.
          All uses of You, You're, and etc are generic unless specified otherwise.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by siead_lietrathua View Post
            no, but that's a basic trolling practice and annoys the hell out of some individuals.
            the auto qualifier as you read it is all, but other people may read it as some. or they logic enough to realize they may be refering to car parts and not just the bodykit.
            Simpler: "Cars are made of metal" is just a generality, not a declaration that every car ever made is so constructed. And it's *generally* true, even if you find most (probably all) have at least some parts mace of some other material, and even if you manage to come up with an exception that contains none whatsoever.

            Now, if someone's argument is "Cars are made of metal. That thing has a fiberglass body; therefore, it's not a car" then you'd be right about the "all"... but rather than worrying over that, it would be far simpler to throw a dictionary at them.
            "My in-laws are country people and at night you can hear their distinctive howl."

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