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  • Fanfic Pet Hates

    I'm sure I'm not alone in feeling this way. Don't get me wrong; I love good, well written fanfic; however, those fics are sadly in the minority buried beneath a pile of dross masquerading as fanfic. I was driven to write this after reading a LOTR fic starring a disgusting Mary Sue who not only was a better archer than Legolas, but was betrothed to him, the tenth of the Fellowship AND had one of the elvish rings. Bitch fucking PLEASE.


    1. Mary Sues. This to me is unfgrgivable; it's not that hard to create a genuinely well rounded character with flaws. Also, creating a self insert who is obviously you, only more speshul, just so you can screw a canon character vicariously thru your loathsome Mary Sue is vomit inducing. Like the aforementioned Mary Sue, most of them are incredibly beautiful, have better powers than the canon characters, have at least one canon person in love with them and basically twist the story for their own ends. They also have ridiculously long names, and flowery descriptions. This makes a fanfic completely unreadable and if you're a purist, makes you basically want to murder the person responsible.

    2. Second person writing. Makes me wonder if I've accidently stumbled into a Choose Your Own Adventure story.

    3. Unfinished stories. Don't be lazy; finish the bloody story you started. If you don't want to write loads of chapters, then write a oneshot or a five chapter fic. Don't start a huge epic then leave it unfinished halfway thru, especially if it's well written and everyone is going to be annoyed cuz they want to know what happened to your character in the end.

    4. No proof reading and/or no beta. If you're going to write fanfiction, please for the love of cheese check thru it before you publish it for basic spelling and grammar mistakes. Also, get someone to read it thru first, preferably not your bestest friend ever, but a neutral who will truthfully tell you if your story's not good enough and tell you what to do to fix it. Don't use chatspeak, insert stupid author notes right in the middle of a chapter, use XXXXX or something similar to divide chapters or change character's names right in the middle of the story for no reason.

    5. Canon is key. You know, it's called fanfiction for a reason. The key word is FAN, not fiction. If you don't want to follow the rules of whatever fandom you've chosen to write about, then write original fiction instead. The same goes for unrealistic pairings. No, I'm not talking about slash; done properly, slash can be great. Same goes for non canon pairings. What I mean is people who completely destroy the characters in order to match them up, and don't explain, if they are two characters who hate each other, why they stopped. Just cuz Hermione is with Draco, she's not going to stop being a know it all. He's not going to stop being a cowardly snob. You work around that; you don't turn Draco into a woobie and Hermione into a sex crazed bimbo. If you can't do that, then rename your characters Bill and Teresa, and write an original fiction story.

    6. Rapefic. Yes, you can have rape, child abuse, incest etc in your story, but you have to write it in realistically. You can't have someone be raped, and recover instantly from it. Or fall in love with the rapist. I absolutely loath people who write about "non consentual sex" as if it's different from rape. There is no difference; they are exactly the same. If it's Bill and Teresa pretending and playing sex games, then that's fine. But don't have Bill raping Teresa, or Draco raping Hermione, and act like it's perfectly alright.

    7. Plagurism. Yes, I know you've seen the movie, but there's no need to copy huge bits out of it and stick it in your story. You're just demonstrating a pitiful lack of imagination, as well as stealing what someone else wrote. The same thing applies to stealing someone else's work and copying it for your story. Any idiot can copy; it takes skill to write something original. Also... songfics. These I hate with a deadly passion. It's like there are people who assume that everyone goes around randomly quoting lyrics into thin air. No wonder even the pit of voles, Fanfiction.com, banned songfics. You know, not just cuz they're irritating and out of place, but it's also plagurism!

    8. Lemons. No, I'm not against all sex scenes. Written properly, a sex scene can be very readable. However, it must not be gratitious, unless you're actually writing erotica. And if you're doing that based on a kid's book, I've got to wonder at what resides in your head. O_o A lot of sex scenes, particularly slash scenes, seem to be written not only by virgins, but by people with no fucking idea, pun intended, of how things work. For example, any guy who was given unlubed anal intercourse by another guy would be in pain. Second, semen does not taste "sweet like candy". And outside of porn flicks, women don't squirt cum accross the room. If you can't write a decent sex scene, then just do a fade to black and leave it at that.

    9. Saidaphobia. This is what I call the fear of using the word "said" in fanfic, and instead insisting on using loads of different words; for example, growled, muttered, expostulated, yelled, shouted. Said is only bad if you're using it constantly, but most of the time, a character really is just saying something, not yelling, muttering or shouting. It doesn't seem like a big thing, but it really does annoy me.

    10. Bitchery about criticism. This isn't so much a rant on fanfic itself, but the way that the authors react to constructive criticism. Due to the fact that so many authors drop the dummy when given polite, but negative reviews of their fanfic, I've pretty much stopped leaving reviews unless I'm sure that the author isn't going to cyber screech, "IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT THEN DON'T READ IT!" or "It's fanFICTION so I can do what I like!" Actually, no you can't; if it's noncanon, such as having a Mary Sue who's Harry's sister, a much cleverer witch than Hermione, beats Harry playing Quidditch and is in love with Sirius Black for no reason whatsoever, then you're abusing canon in a horrible way and you should either quit it right now, or change all the names and write original fiction. I'll go further; if you're too immature to accept constructive criticism, then you might as well give up any dreams of getting your work published, as any publisher is going to criticise your work far worse than the casual reviewer ever could.
    Last edited by Lace Neil Singer; 11-26-2008, 09:56 PM.
    "Oh wow, I can't believe how stupid I used to be and you still are."

  • #2
    Here's my biggest annoyance with fanfic - when the 'real' writers don't go along with their ideas and then the fanfic writers throw fits. (I'm not saying fanfic writers aren't 'real' writers, just trying to distinguish).

    Case in point: NCIS. I lurves me some NCIS. It's a great show with wonderful character development, the best dialogue on television, and an excellent cast. The new exec. producer Shane Brennan is doing wonders with the show - the plots and the character arcs. One of the things I like the most about the show is that the characters aren't all sleeping with each other!! And yet, these Tiva writers constantly whine "When are Tony and Ziva going to get together?!?!" The Tiva's are the most prevalent but there's also McAbby (McGee & Abby). And, Kate is dead. Been dead for four seasons now. Not coming back. So SHUSH!

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    • #3
      I would also add "rape of characters" to that list. No, not as in actual rape, I mean the kind of brutalization that turns the character completely unrecognizable from their actual depicted persona. I write fic (PM me if you wanna know which fandom) and I can't tell you how much it makes my eyes bleed whenever I come across a fic that has a certain character just completely OC. I suppose some of his traits could be misconstrued as making him into the OC-type, but those traits aren't wholly who he is and he is actually very far from being the helpless passive type.
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      • #4
        I covered that in "Canon is key"; I agree with what you're saying. I like to read slash, but I absolutely loath people who write male characters as being either pathetic little girls, or brutal rapists due to the fact that they have no idea about gay relationships at all. I read once a horrible slashfic which depicted Legolas as a whimpering little girl with Glorfindel as his rapist. Blah... and it was mpreg too, which I didn't mention, but I also hate; not the genre as such, but the completely crap way it's handled by most fanfic authors. Men do not get pregnant, and don't crap babies out their rectums. If you must have a man getting pregnant, at least have a believable reason why he did; such as being magicked into a girl. XD
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        • #5
          Let me just point out my amusement at the fact that your example of a believable reason for a man to get pregnant included the word 'magic.' I agree it's better than letting it go as if it's normal, but, still...

          And BTW, Legolas is already a sniveling little girl. He's kinda been the man-bitch of the series since he was introduced, and that's coming from someone who learned to read on the original Tolkein books.

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          • #6
            It was just faceciousness; I'm surprised youy didn't see that. And yes, that's probably spelt wrong.

            Now I dislike Legolas extremely, however that's no reason for loads of 13 year old girls to either paint him as a rape victim or as the betrothed to their Mary Sue. Not even Saruman deserves that fate worse than death. O_o
            "Oh wow, I can't believe how stupid I used to be and you still are."

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            • #7
              I personnaly cannot stand Mary Sues, or as I call them the 'Zeros' (read Hero, with a z), with the flawlessness and incapacity to ever lose.

              However I can understand a teenager using them, as it's their ways of dreaming about themselves. the realistic and flawed side usually comes around the end of puberty (this is a general statement, exceptions are very much possible). What I don't get is real authors using them and becoming famous for them (which is why I can't stand Moorcook or Salvatore, as their heros will never die or lose, and have some flaws that are rapidly forgotten or taken care of my a mythical object).

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              • #8
                I'm fascinated by this. Until fairly recently, I didn't know that fan-fiction was written about anything other than Star Trek.

                I'm assuming that it's the self-publication of bad fanfiction that bothers you all, as opposed to its very existence. I'll bet there are a hundred 13 year-old girls writing stories in which they marry Harry Potter for every one that actually posts her stuff on the internet. That seems like a fairly normal pre-teen girl activity, not much different than keeping a diary.

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                • #9
                  Don't limit this to girls, I'm pretty sure many a teen age boy writes sotries about his lovelife and (insert name of famous female character here)

                  I think one needs to focus on the main benefit: they're fucking WRITING shit ! At a time when people complain about the lack of alphabetisation, kids writing stuff and actually manipulating the english langage (or any langage) for anything else than internet chat is awsome.
                  I know my writing taugh me a lot about the langage and the ways to use it. Yeah it sucked, hence it's absence of the net but stil it got my typing skills up and I became more careful abotu my use of the langage (in conversations as well) and my speech became more elaborated and pleasant to the hear.

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                  • #10
                    Well, as a slight defense to the unfinished fic, I have mine that's had a couple of long hiatuses, because I hit the brick wall of writer's block. Trust me, it drives me just as nuts as it does my readers. I WANT to get to the good stuff, believe me!

                    Mine would probably be the people who say something about the battle scenes I write (wrestling fic). I write in the sense that what happens in the ring is real and the characters are who they are on TV, etc. So as nonsensical as it would be in real life, in wrestle-verse, Rey Mysterio WOULD do a backflip off a car roof during a street fight, or Chris Jericho would try to catch someone's foot and bend them in half like a pretzel. TRUST ME, I know how a real fight would work. But that's not the world we're playing in right now.

                    Or the readers who automatically assume that ANY original character is a Mary Sue. The story I'm working on now is set in a hospital, so naturally there's going to be some unfamiliar doctors, nurses, etc., wandering around. THEY AREN'T SUES. For God's sakes, the main nurse is a portly little old grandmother with bifocals!

                    Even in the one story where me and a couple of friends inserted ourselves as characters, we kept ourselves realistic. We basically looked like ourselves, had certain magical powers, yes, but by that point, so did half of the wrestler characters, got into fights and arguments with the main characters, etc. Even my insert, who proved herself able to physically hang with the men, lost a couple of battles against other women who were smaller and weaker by getting handily outsmarted. You know...FLAWS. Bad things happening, etc. So just because you see some new face does not automatically mean OMG SUE!!!1!

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                    • #11
                      Yeah, but I'm betting you didn't insert yourself in as a mystical yet beautiful wrestler called a ridiculously long name and with magic, speshul powers who had every male wrestler swooning at your feet! XD In fact, I see you more as the AntiSue who whips the butt of the Sue. XD

                      As for writing and teens, there are a lot of teens who write; I used to write poetry and short stories and still do when the muse hits; however, I never put any of it online til I have exhaustively gone thru it and asked other people to read it to make sure it doesn't suck arse. Also, sit down and take a deep breath; NOT ALL BADFIC IS WRITTEN BY TEENS. Honestly. There are some fic writers who don't go thru the Sue/badfic stage and out the other side, but carry on writing badfic, including some people who write some really disturbing rapefic and abusefic that makes me think of serial killers in the making, especially if it's about kids' books or TV. A lot of badfic writers are adults, and that to me can't be forgiven as it can be if it's a 12 year old girl.

                      Also, check my last rant; if you burst a blood vessel even at the sight of a well thought out piece of constructive criticism and act as tho the reviewer has just kicked your puppy, then don't put your writing online. And no, I don't mean flames like "ur storie sux ars u dickhed!1!!!", I mean proper concrit that actually tells the person what they're doing right as well as wrong, just as an English teacher or publisher would. If you're a teen and writing, you might as well do it right; I don't buy the whole "omg at least they're writing stuff!" cuz I believe if you want to do something, you should do it properly. When I went horse riding, I worked hard at it; I could just as easily have leant back, held on by the reins and booted my horse in the ribs, but I didn't cuz I didn't just see it as "well, at least I'm out there in the fresh air!"

                      Sorry to go on. But the fanfic that provoked the rant was seriously bad. o.o Oh yeah, and written by an adult.
                      "Oh wow, I can't believe how stupid I used to be and you still are."

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                      • #12
                        I remember writing a Lord of the Rings fanfic when I was like...13. It had an original character and Boromir. I admit it was a rape story, but I had my reasons. I was hoping to make people aware of rape happening anywhere, even though I used beloved characters. Boromir is my favorite LotR character. I figured that if tv ads could use celebrities that I knew to raise awareness for issues, I wanted to do that also, using characters of a movie that came out and books that were being read again. I understood that Boromir was nothing like that. He was a good man, who displayed human weakness for the One Ring (which is why I absolutely adore him). I even explained that and got so many flames for using him that way.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Lace Neil Singer View Post
                          If you're a teen and writing, you might as well do it right; I don't buy the whole "omg at least they're writing stuff!" cuz I believe if you want to do something, you should do it properly. When I went horse riding, I worked hard at it; I could just as easily have leant back, held on by the reins and booted my horse in the ribs, but I didn't cuz I didn't just see it as "well, at least I'm out there in the fresh air!"
                          Well, I will agree that not all writing is good, and the 'at least he's writting' doesn't excuse bad work.
                          But then again, I'll give them a cookie for writing. If they're applying themselves hard; they'll get more. At least they're trying. It's a tad harder than just getting on a horse: you won't find a horse that will write a story for you.

                          Regarding the : if it's bad, don't put it out on the net; frankly it's too easy to publish stuff on the net these days. Anybody will have a blog and stuff, or any website will publish your crap. Too easy means that the old process through which you had to go before (ie: being reviewed by an editor, even for the local fanzine) is gone, and that was before anything else a good crap filter.

                          So yeah: there's more crappy stuff. The payback is that there's also excellent stuff that is written by people who wouldn't have had a clue as to how to publish their work, and would have deprived us of very neat talent.

                          Lastly: don't you have a way to tell whether the story is crap by only reading the first few lines ? I'm sure you do.

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                          • #14
                            I don't think anyone expects that young teenagers will be great writers, but the only way they'll improve is to accept constructive criticism. I think that's what Lace is saying.

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                            • #15
                              Oh, I got that part and I agree. I'm simply trying to underline the fact that the writing activity in itself is a good thing.

                              Acceptance of constructive criticism is tough, particularly for a teenager. When one see how 'intellectuals' take such criticism....

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